Shades Marathon Training

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12/12/2012 at 18:20

lazy 2 days here at the moment, shoulder was in a rubbish state after my jog on monday so resting today and yesterday and then intervals tomorrow.  Fingers crossed my shoulder doesn't flare up again after that and i'll be out of the woods! Nice hot bath tonight... its very very cold out!

12/12/2012 at 18:41

It were -10 day 3 at this years quad and not exactly much warmer all 4 days. Snowed the first night too.

Shades - I get 32 hours for the 100 miles so i'm not really expect it to be that hard to finish in time. 4mph whilst moving is 25 hours giving 7 hours of faffing about. Just gotta decide whether i want to do it and also G2E in April. That one is along canals so flat mostly and based on my 40 mile time of just under 7 hours would be 10-11 hours roughly for the 56 miles.

12/12/2012 at 19:36

@Keith - have you had a look at the Giantshead marathon in June? That's going to a good one. Lots of hills and hard stuff but a cracking crowd and group to be with (i shall be in attendance and i've been promised lots of beer) 

12/12/2012 at 21:15

Another run in the gym tonight as I haven't really shaken off this cold, but my running was poor, having a cold has really knocked the stuffing out of me. Maybe I should just wait 'til I'm fully recovered, but I thought I was close

At least I got some running in, and it will be warmer in the next few days, albeit wet and windy too  

13/12/2012 at 01:15
The outside of my calf started hurting a couple of weeks ago and it is getting worse and worse The main is now around my knee and my leg gets so stiff I can hardly walk. It loosens up with stretching running but when I first stand up it hurts a lot

I am really worried I have IT band syndrome I am going to book a session with a sports massage person to see if they can help. I'm really worried
13/12/2012 at 07:10

Emmy - I have dartmoor discovery in early june already and am yet to cross check race dates with on call rota which is a nice job for tomorrow or the weekend.

First proper xmas dinner tonight with work, this is the free (or mostly free) one where the different sites get to mingle togeather. Albeit with our lot sat on one table right next to the bar Got the usual local one next week as well and last weeks union agm had one too.

13/12/2012 at 07:21

Slowkoala - good news on the shoes.   Which Brooks did you get? (I'm a great Brooks fan)

Emmy - yes here's our forecast for the next few days

I couldn't (or wouldn't) have run a marathon in that cold weather yesterday

Keith - don't underestimate the difficulty of a 100 miler irrespective of time allowed.   And off road in the dark you may be down to 2mph.  And then there's the nature of the event, lots of folk have haullucinations.  The G2E you'd have no problem with.   I want to do a 100 miler at some time

Rattler - I wouldn't run if I had a cold and especially not indoors in a gym where you are vulnerable to pick up another cold.  Rest or justa good walk outdoors until you're well again.

Khanivore - I thought  ITB runs from the knee to hip.   If it's ITBS it's a common injury in folks training for their first marathon and can be dealt with.   Don't go for a sports massage, go to a physio and get a proper diagnosis.


Edited: 13/12/2012 at 08:10
13/12/2012 at 07:44

Shades from what I read the ITB goes from the hip down to the knee and attaches just below it to the side of the shin which is exactly where my leg is hurting. My hip is also a little sore and and when i massage the side of my upper leg with the roller the pain just below my knee feels a little bit better. 

I am glad to hear this is a common thing and that can be dealt with. The pain even put me off going for my run this am (i will do it at lunchtime instead) as my leg is sore  

I will find a physio locally.

13/12/2012 at 07:49

I picked up some base layer shorts (underwear) and tshirts when i was in the US. They made my -5c 10 mile run yesterday fantastic when combined with a polar buff and 2 pairs of gloves (my runnings ones and a pair of thick cotton cycling ones over the top). I wore my full sleeve top and a pair of cheapo ron hill running bottoms with my knee high compression socks underneath. And possibly the most important piece, a headband which I pulled down so it was over my ears.

Honestly, I hardly felt the cold. It was fantastic.

By the way i bought my first pair of compression tights when i was in the US too lol. I wore them once on a run out there but have not worn them here yet

13/12/2012 at 08:15

Khanivore - I would expect probably half of all runners training for their first marathon to get ITBS.   I did and I still do the stretches now every day.   Only time it niggles is sometimes on a very long drive (6 hours) but never had any more trouble running.

I would stop running until you've seen a physio, you are probably making it worse.

See if you can find a physio that is recommended by other runners, RW forum is good for that.

Good news on the new kit.   It's amazing how the right kit for the conditions really does work.

13/12/2012 at 08:44

I did a quick writeup of my trip to the US. Here it is:

I would encourage you to look at the panorama shot I took but if you don't want to read my post here is a link to that:

In summary, the runners of northern California are spoiled rotten. They can run beautiful trails that don't get muddy, even in December. They can run in a t-shirt year round. They get glorious sun. No wonder people are so in to their ultra marathons etc there.

Shades - I really don't want to stop running. I will keep stretching and using the roller and will see a physio asap.


13/12/2012 at 13:19

Khanivore - that's your choice but if it's not getting better then you could end up spending more time on the injury bench and ITBS can become a long term injury if not dealt with quickly.

13/12/2012 at 13:40

Shades - i have a one hour session booked with this lady for next Tuesday. I know I should see a physio, and I will book one too, but she looks like she knows what she is talking about. What do you think?

She is a runner herself.

13/12/2012 at 17:47
Shades, I got Brook Ghost 5s. Have you tried these before? They're a neutral shoe but I also have my new Sauconys which are mild support so think I will alternate. Have had a blister plaster on my ankle the last couple of days and seems to have helped. Looking forward to running tomorrow as it's supposed to be a bit warmer.

Khanivore, hope the physio helps. When I asked a friend doing a marathon what her goal was, she said 'to get to the starting line'. Think I'm beginning to understand now! Better to have a niggle now than an injury in feb or march.
13/12/2012 at 17:56
Hi Khanivore

I doubt very much you could run 10 miles if you have ITBS, it can take around 20 mins into a run for the pain to start, but when it does you would have to stop running in my experience. So many areas can track pain to the knee. A tight hip can give you tight quads that will cause pain in the kneecap. A tight spot in your mid to lower back can also track to the outside of the knee and give you ITBS type pain. It can also track from the shins.

We get pain for a reason so get it sorted or some day soon, you may wish you had

Hope you sort it soon
13/12/2012 at 19:25

Steve - Ah based on what you said it probably is not ITBS which would be a relief. I took the advice not to run and took today off. I have stretched twice and used the foam roller today and will do so again before bed. The leg is definitely feeling a bit more free thanks to the stretch. I am sure there is some connection with what is going on just below my knee and the slight soreness on the side of my butt cheek / hip. The session is booked with the sports massage lady and i may also go to see a sports physio i have been recommended too. 

My pain occurs when i have NOT been using my leg rather than when i HAVE been using it - i.e. when i have been sitting down rather than when i have been walking on it.

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13/12/2012 at 19:33
Khanivore, I had knee trouble last year and had 3 months of physio. Best advice is to avoid googling as it is so easy to misdiagnose and think you have the answer. Physio is never an instant cure but it will tell you at least what is causing the niggle, how to strengthen areas to get rid of the niggle and whether you should be resting or whether it is something you can run through.
14/12/2012 at 07:20

Khanivore - I don't know her so I can't possibly comment.  Personally I wouldn't judge by a website I would want personal recommendations and would be consulting a physio or sports therapist for an injury.

S3200H  - I've had ITBS and my pain would only come on after 5 or even 10 miles. 

Khanivore - please don't worry but I think you probably have a couple of injuries there.

Slowkoala -yes, I have a pair of Ghost which I like very much, nice and light and a good fit, I'm probably going to buy another pair soon.  They have some on  M and M Direct, I'm price watching at the moment


Fabulous run today, lovely and mild, about +8, didn't mind the torrential rain, anything is better than that cold and ice

14/12/2012 at 08:29

After the amount of sprouts i ate last night any running done today would be jet propelled

14/12/2012 at 09:14

Shades, I booked a physio session for Monday with a physio recommended by the chairman of my cycling club. I checked with her about the sports massage I have booked for Tuesday and the physio told me the masseur is good. That put my mind at rest.

None of this is cheap. I'll just put it down to the learning process and I hope I don't have to keep going back in the long term. 

It is really REALLY frustrating not going out for a run. I hate it I thought my leg was better but after sitting at my desk for 30 mins I could hardly stand up again. Once I am up and moving about it gets looser, but still sore. Sitting really seems to stiffen it up.

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