Shades Marathon Training

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13/12/2012 at 19:33
Khanivore, I had knee trouble last year and had 3 months of physio. Best advice is to avoid googling as it is so easy to misdiagnose and think you have the answer. Physio is never an instant cure but it will tell you at least what is causing the niggle, how to strengthen areas to get rid of the niggle and whether you should be resting or whether it is something you can run through.
14/12/2012 at 07:20

Khanivore - I don't know her so I can't possibly comment.  Personally I wouldn't judge by a website I would want personal recommendations and would be consulting a physio or sports therapist for an injury.

S3200H  - I've had ITBS and my pain would only come on after 5 or even 10 miles. 

Khanivore - please don't worry but I think you probably have a couple of injuries there.

Slowkoala -yes, I have a pair of Ghost which I like very much, nice and light and a good fit, I'm probably going to buy another pair soon.  They have some on  M and M Direct, I'm price watching at the moment


Fabulous run today, lovely and mild, about +8, didn't mind the torrential rain, anything is better than that cold and ice

14/12/2012 at 08:29

After the amount of sprouts i ate last night any running done today would be jet propelled

14/12/2012 at 09:14

Shades, I booked a physio session for Monday with a physio recommended by the chairman of my cycling club. I checked with her about the sports massage I have booked for Tuesday and the physio told me the masseur is good. That put my mind at rest.

None of this is cheap. I'll just put it down to the learning process and I hope I don't have to keep going back in the long term. 

It is really REALLY frustrating not going out for a run. I hate it I thought my leg was better but after sitting at my desk for 30 mins I could hardly stand up again. Once I am up and moving about it gets looser, but still sore. Sitting really seems to stiffen it up.

14/12/2012 at 09:36
I know how you feel Khanivore My ITBS problem was caused wile cycling, but only hurt me when running, took me a long time and so much money to understand the cause of the injury.

Have you been running long?
14/12/2012 at 09:40

I have only been running since May. I have tried to ramp up very slowly though. I started with run walk and then followed Shades plan to build up to the mileage I am at right now. I guess it was to be expected. I just hope I can get through it and then become injury free. I guess it is better this happens 18 weeks out from the Marathon rather than 2 weeks out

14/12/2012 at 13:16

Keith - must have been a Xmas dinner, can't see you cooking the sprouts

Khanivore - being on the injury bench is truly awful, we all been there.  Just use the time this weekend to do some chores that you may have sidelined for your running and await the physio's diagnosis.   You've continued to run with an injury which has probably given you another niggle, but nothing that can't be sorted out.

Take your running shoes to the physio with you just in case they need to check them.   It's possible that you may need to change your shoes (or type of) as I doubt you run in the same way you did when you originally bought them.

I know these treatments aren't cheap but you can get physio on NHS, however the waiting list can vary depending on your GP's resources.   Best physio I've ever seen was an NHS one after an injury that other physio's couldn't diagnose.

14/12/2012 at 14:05

Thanks shades. I will rest up. I mostly feel bad because now i hve to eat less too lol. 

So your plan is to replace something I love to do, running, with somethign I hate to do, chores. Why didn't I think of that?

14/12/2012 at 20:04

Shades - er i have sprouts in the freezer in amongst the various frozen veggies

15/12/2012 at 07:07

Khanivore - but you'll feel good having got those chores out of the way.   Bad news on the food though

Keith - and have those sprouts been in your freezer for years?

I love veg but hate sprouts

Very mild this morning for my run, roads were lovely and quiet.   Nearly half way through the streak, day 15 am feeling a little jaded.

Good luck to VR and Emmy today at MK

15/12/2012 at 10:54
I'm still on the streak too. It was slightly tougher this week due to having to travel a bit for work, but it wasn't too bad really.

I've just come back from a Saturday morning club run which was a nice 11 miles out. It's the club's Xmas do tonight so I expect it'll just be the 1 mile tomorrow....
15/12/2012 at 15:33

Shades - er more like a few weeks only, there is usally some sort of veggies in their. just veggies dont exactly go with curry or bolognese that well.

15/12/2012 at 15:48
Mild morning here, did a session at my running club. They do a timed mile every month and I ran it in 6mins 10 secs which was pleased with as 15 secs faster than last month. Went way too fast at the start though so need to pace better next time. Hardly started Xmas shopping so might have to dash to town now
15/12/2012 at 16:45
Well done, Time to change your name to fastkoala.
15/12/2012 at 18:46

I've just started training for my first marathon with this plan and as I'm pushed for time, the three runs a week is good.

As it's my first marathon, this question is likely to sound very stupid, but does running slower than marathon pace help on race day? I'm just after a bit of reassurace that it does or is it the tempo runs that make the marathon pace possible on the day?

15/12/2012 at 23:23

I'm not a happy bunny . Heel still ached a bit after a run on Tuesday, so I looked up PF on the internet but reading about all those bones and stringy things made me feel woozy and faint . Decided to do some of the stretching and strengthening exercises for PF, but by Thursday evening it had made it worse! Now my whole foot ached - arch, heel, ankle and even right up my leg. Did nothing on Friday and today and it seems to have gone back to what it was almost at the beginning . Think I might try to get a doc's appointment (possibly by New Year knowing our docs). Had to pull out of Sunday Enigma . Seems like quite a few peeps have niggles of one kind or another.

16/12/2012 at 07:10

Keith - if you chop the veg up it's great added to curry, but I would probably leave the bolognese as it is

Slowkoala - wow that's brilliant, 15 secs faster is an amazing PB - I bet you have some of the guys in your club fighting to beat you.   And S3200H is right, you may want to think about changing your name!

sleaver - it's not a stupid question at all and you are right to query the method.   Running slower than marathon pace conditions your aerobic system and builds your endurance, strengthening your bones, muscles, ligaments etc for the increasing workload.    The tempo runs are only there to stretch the legs out and to give the runner a change of pace.    I do recommend that during your training that you race once a month, it doesn't matter if it's a 5km or a 10 miler.   Racing is the best speed work of all and the more race experience you have before your marathon the better.   These races will show you that you are getting faster despite not doing any training at race pace.

mowzer - oh dear, that doesn't sound good.  Can you get to a physio sooner? Your running club may have an agreement for discounted rates at a local physio.  Or your GP may allow you to make an appointment direct with NHS physio saving a bit of waiting time, you might get a cancellation at this time of year.

Pulls up injury bench , Khanivore, mowzer and I believe Emmy may have picked up an injury yesterday too

Edited: 16/12/2012 at 07:11
16/12/2012 at 08:47
Hi all,

You're right Shades my first DNF and I'm so upset. I know im big stupid and a big numpty. I feel so many emotions right now and none of them are good. its a lessons learned but I took it easy last night and its achy today but just a little throbbing in my Achilles.

My mums done massage and had a look at it last night. I've taken ibruprofen and had some ice on it and it doesn't hurt so much today. There's limited swelling and I have a physio appointment on Tuesday to investigate.

It as absolutely lovely to meet VR and her lovely outfit!
16/12/2012 at 08:59

Emmy - Don't be upset, you did the right thing to DNF rather than carry on and make it worse.

That is very good news that it doesn't hurt so much today, usually first thing in the morning achilles injuries can be at their worst and very painful.  It might be referred pain from somewhere else in your ankle.

What was VR wearing?

Off to the gym now, back later

16/12/2012 at 12:42

Really enjoyed myself at the why don't I go there more often?

Had a really awful paperwork task to do today which I thought would take me at least 2 hours, but completed in 40 mins.   Still have the Xmas cards to do though


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