Shades Marathon Training

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14/12/2012 at 09:36
I know how you feel Khanivore My ITBS problem was caused wile cycling, but only hurt me when running, took me a long time and so much money to understand the cause of the injury.

Have you been running long?
14/12/2012 at 09:40

I have only been running since May. I have tried to ramp up very slowly though. I started with run walk and then followed Shades plan to build up to the mileage I am at right now. I guess it was to be expected. I just hope I can get through it and then become injury free. I guess it is better this happens 18 weeks out from the Marathon rather than 2 weeks out

14/12/2012 at 13:16

Keith - must have been a Xmas dinner, can't see you cooking the sprouts

Khanivore - being on the injury bench is truly awful, we all been there.  Just use the time this weekend to do some chores that you may have sidelined for your running and await the physio's diagnosis.   You've continued to run with an injury which has probably given you another niggle, but nothing that can't be sorted out.

Take your running shoes to the physio with you just in case they need to check them.   It's possible that you may need to change your shoes (or type of) as I doubt you run in the same way you did when you originally bought them.

I know these treatments aren't cheap but you can get physio on NHS, however the waiting list can vary depending on your GP's resources.   Best physio I've ever seen was an NHS one after an injury that other physio's couldn't diagnose.

14/12/2012 at 14:05

Thanks shades. I will rest up. I mostly feel bad because now i hve to eat less too lol. 

So your plan is to replace something I love to do, running, with somethign I hate to do, chores. Why didn't I think of that?

14/12/2012 at 20:04

Shades - er i have sprouts in the freezer in amongst the various frozen veggies

15/12/2012 at 07:07

Khanivore - but you'll feel good having got those chores out of the way.   Bad news on the food though

Keith - and have those sprouts been in your freezer for years?

I love veg but hate sprouts

Very mild this morning for my run, roads were lovely and quiet.   Nearly half way through the streak, day 15 am feeling a little jaded.

Good luck to VR and Emmy today at MK

15/12/2012 at 10:54
I'm still on the streak too. It was slightly tougher this week due to having to travel a bit for work, but it wasn't too bad really.

I've just come back from a Saturday morning club run which was a nice 11 miles out. It's the club's Xmas do tonight so I expect it'll just be the 1 mile tomorrow....
15/12/2012 at 15:33

Shades - er more like a few weeks only, there is usally some sort of veggies in their. just veggies dont exactly go with curry or bolognese that well.

15/12/2012 at 15:48
Mild morning here, did a session at my running club. They do a timed mile every month and I ran it in 6mins 10 secs which was pleased with as 15 secs faster than last month. Went way too fast at the start though so need to pace better next time. Hardly started Xmas shopping so might have to dash to town now
15/12/2012 at 16:45
Well done, Time to change your name to fastkoala.
15/12/2012 at 18:46

I've just started training for my first marathon with this plan and as I'm pushed for time, the three runs a week is good.

As it's my first marathon, this question is likely to sound very stupid, but does running slower than marathon pace help on race day? I'm just after a bit of reassurace that it does or is it the tempo runs that make the marathon pace possible on the day?

15/12/2012 at 23:23

I'm not a happy bunny . Heel still ached a bit after a run on Tuesday, so I looked up PF on the internet but reading about all those bones and stringy things made me feel woozy and faint . Decided to do some of the stretching and strengthening exercises for PF, but by Thursday evening it had made it worse! Now my whole foot ached - arch, heel, ankle and even right up my leg. Did nothing on Friday and today and it seems to have gone back to what it was almost at the beginning . Think I might try to get a doc's appointment (possibly by New Year knowing our docs). Had to pull out of Sunday Enigma . Seems like quite a few peeps have niggles of one kind or another.

16/12/2012 at 07:10

Keith - if you chop the veg up it's great added to curry, but I would probably leave the bolognese as it is

Slowkoala - wow that's brilliant, 15 secs faster is an amazing PB - I bet you have some of the guys in your club fighting to beat you.   And S3200H is right, you may want to think about changing your name!

sleaver - it's not a stupid question at all and you are right to query the method.   Running slower than marathon pace conditions your aerobic system and builds your endurance, strengthening your bones, muscles, ligaments etc for the increasing workload.    The tempo runs are only there to stretch the legs out and to give the runner a change of pace.    I do recommend that during your training that you race once a month, it doesn't matter if it's a 5km or a 10 miler.   Racing is the best speed work of all and the more race experience you have before your marathon the better.   These races will show you that you are getting faster despite not doing any training at race pace.

mowzer - oh dear, that doesn't sound good.  Can you get to a physio sooner? Your running club may have an agreement for discounted rates at a local physio.  Or your GP may allow you to make an appointment direct with NHS physio saving a bit of waiting time, you might get a cancellation at this time of year.

Pulls up injury bench , Khanivore, mowzer and I believe Emmy may have picked up an injury yesterday too

Edited: 16/12/2012 at 07:11
16/12/2012 at 08:47
Hi all,

You're right Shades my first DNF and I'm so upset. I know im big stupid and a big numpty. I feel so many emotions right now and none of them are good. its a lessons learned but I took it easy last night and its achy today but just a little throbbing in my Achilles.

My mums done massage and had a look at it last night. I've taken ibruprofen and had some ice on it and it doesn't hurt so much today. There's limited swelling and I have a physio appointment on Tuesday to investigate.

It as absolutely lovely to meet VR and her lovely outfit!
16/12/2012 at 08:59

Emmy - Don't be upset, you did the right thing to DNF rather than carry on and make it worse.

That is very good news that it doesn't hurt so much today, usually first thing in the morning achilles injuries can be at their worst and very painful.  It might be referred pain from somewhere else in your ankle.

What was VR wearing?

Off to the gym now, back later

16/12/2012 at 12:42

Really enjoyed myself at the why don't I go there more often?

Had a really awful paperwork task to do today which I thought would take me at least 2 hours, but completed in 40 mins.   Still have the Xmas cards to do though


16/12/2012 at 13:25
Every year I say I'm going to stop doing Christmas cards as they are such a hassle and stamps cost an arm and a leg now.

Emmy, I think that's the sign of a true runner, not being afraid to stop if you know otherwise your injury will get worse. Hope with a bit of rest it starts to get better soon.

Mower, hope you get to see a physio before Christmas. Such a pain having to wait for so long.

Did 16 miles this morning which went well. Completely forgot about ankle which must be a good sign but when I press on it now it hurts. Think it is probably more than just the shoe thing so iced it. However it didn't affect my running today so just hope it doesn't develop into anything worse.
Edited: 16/12/2012 at 13:27
16/12/2012 at 15:05

Lovely to meet you too Emmy and sorry about your injury. We've all been there.
I remember my first DNF. It felt so awful. Just have to pick yourself up and try again.
Hope it clears up soon. You looked lovely in your christmas tree outfit!

Mowser - What a pain! Hope you get it sorted soon. I bet you're going nuts without the running in your life!

I think I've done that lake to death now. 4.28 on Saturday, I was supposed to run Sunday but couldn't face it! Plus I had a late night driving into London to pick eldest daughter up from a Wembly concert and getting back to a very noisy hotel.
Still, back home now.

Glad you enjoyed the gym Shades, you are going to be so fit!!! 

16/12/2012 at 15:09

Well, I went out for the running club Xmas party last night, which was good.  I enjoyed it and I'm pleased to say I didn't drink too much which meant I could get out for a run this morning.  I only did about 4.5 miles, but it was at sub-8min/mile pace so that wasn't too bad.  That means I'm half way through the running streak with 71 miles in 16 days racked up so far.

I don't usually do the Monday night club session, but tomorrow there is a "Mince Pie Marathon".  A quote from the club magazine: "There will be mulled
wine and mince pies in abundance — no need for tea that night!".  It would seem rude not to attend that

16/12/2012 at 15:38

Emmy & Khanivore - hope your injuries heal up quickly.

Shades - are we not getting any more reports from your gym sessions? . I think I'll be back to the gym this week as I just can't face swimming in that cold water .

Went to club's XC league race today. Very muddy . Saw a few of the fastest men through the finish (heard one say "I've never, ever had to walk in a XC before") then did duty as 'bag lady' - holding out plastic bags for runners to drop their disgustingly muddy shoes in, before they came into the hall. It was the 'pea field' that did it - a long steep hill about a mile or 2 from the finish - it had been ploughed during the week . Apparently, a few lost their shoes, one lady veered off the 'path' and started to sink, and a couple of runners got completely stuck and had to be helped out by marshalls. (During the hot weather in the summer the path gets a lot of wide deep cracks which seem bottomless ). They all finished smiling though.

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