Shades Marathon Training

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24/04/2013 at 13:18


I almost feel like I could run a marathon today...almost. Need to wait until tomorrow for recovery run though as too busy today. Glad your legs are ok now Khani. 

Shades - I will do as suggested and longer runs up to 16 miles. If I have time to add in a 4th run a week, is it better to do hill repeats or intervals/fartlek?

Claire - I did what Shades suggested - bought a pair of trainers full price before Christmas and then after Christmas they were on sale (and still are) for half price so I bought another pair. Once you are happy with them, you can normally pick them up half price later on.

Rattler - I was looking for a half and spotted the St Albans one but I think I can't do that weekend for family reasons. Still on the hunt..

Good luck for Manchester,  Molly and S3200H.

Molly - I love shopping, but shopping after a marathon is nuts 

24/04/2013 at 13:23

Emmy - I'm with S3200, rest, rest rest and I don't think you should be considering a race at all at the moment.   Your knee injury is probably a compensating injury from your hip, subconsciously taking pressure off one side of the body puts extra pressure on the other side and often causes another injury.   Just take each day at a time, you can't maintain full fitness with a knee injury so rest up.

Khanivore - that's why we do the recovery runs, painful at the start but it really makes you feel so much better by the end of the run

..and we didn't have a healthy breakfast in Ljubljana, pastries and coffee if I remember rightly and very good too

molly - I'm sure they have plenty of escalators at the shopping centre so you'll be able to avoid the stairs

24/04/2013 at 13:58

 I'm a little scared if i'm honest. I have so much energy at the moment and have no idea what to do with it. My knee doesnt hurt when I cycle so could that be an option? Otherwise - people are going to get really annoyed at me very quickly (imagine the duracell bunny on speed and you see where i'm at).

24/04/2013 at 14:49
Emmy, would swimming be an option? I find I have to cycle lots to get the same benefit as running. But you must listen to the others and REST if you are hurting. Easier said than done, I know.

Shades, don't think I will ever drink beetroot juice ever again unless I see more proof of its benefits!

Khani, well done on the recovery run. Mine was more like a shuffle than a run on Monday but I did feel loads better for it. But I only did 1 mile!

Legs do feel better today - managed to walk down the tube station steps without holding in to rails!

Seen loads of people out running this week, must be the post London newbies!
24/04/2013 at 14:59

Sorry Emmy I would not cycle either, have a week complete rest, with plenty of rolling and stretching, and a couple of sports massages as well.  Then see how you are.  I know it is horrid but as you know injury is all part of running and we have to learn when to rest.  


24/04/2013 at 15:08

For some reason I am so tired this week, well into taper so was expecting to feel full of energy but no. 

24/04/2013 at 15:27

Emmy - lots of energy? Come to my house and iron  Seriously the only thing you should be doing is REST otherwise it'll just take longer to recover. I really would not consider doing another marathon at the weekend. Listen to your body and look after yourself.

24/04/2013 at 15:59

Don't worry Molly - it's just a 25km this weekend. The marathon is NEXT weekend

I just thought if I did low/minimal impact stuff it would be better and I could take away the 'itch'.

S3200H - i'd love to go to get a massage but I phoned up my 'regular' guy and he's fully booked for the next two weeks. I don't trust anyone else after a few rubbish ones that actually caused more damage than healed.

I'm listening to it - and was proud that I stopped my run this morning but it doesnt mean that i'm not looking elsewhere to find a fix

24/04/2013 at 17:16

Ermm... I've just entered the Thames Trot 50 in Feb 2014. Oops

24/04/2013 at 18:48
I was going to try do a 10 mile tonight at what i would call marathon pace around 7:10min/mile. (That's the pace i need to sustain in order achieve a sub 3:10 marathon.)
But cause of family issues i ended up cycling around Greenwich park, hills included, with my 3 year old on his seat on the back.. what a workout.

Shades- i have been looking at several pacing timings and found that if i sustain 7:10 a mile i should achieve may goal..what i want to know, would it be feasible to run my first half at around 6:50 per mile, which would allow me a 20 sec a mile window for my second half or do i run the risk of burning myself out to soon..
24/04/2013 at 19:12
Khanivore, I has to look that up to see if the 50 was miles or km...!!! Are you mad???? That's almost two back to back marathons!
24/04/2013 at 19:22
Koala don't think you need to ask that
24/04/2013 at 19:40
My number is 5251 for Manchester. Just done a steady 7 mile woke me up a bit
24/04/2013 at 19:51
Haha it should be a laugh
24/04/2013 at 21:33
Is that your last run till Sunday, S32?

Khanivore, have you told your wife yet?! My OH is grumbling already at the idea of me training for another marathon as I'd like to do London again next year. I can't imagine his face if I said I'd entered an ultra!
24/04/2013 at 21:50

Rattler - 9th of June you say? a 1/2? 1:45 to beat?


i'm in. (assuming day pass from the boss gets granted)

my PB is 1:45.33 so i'm going plan to hit that 1:45 time right out of the park.

the only thing that might put a dampener on things is that now the general aching has stopped, i'm left with a tight right hamstring and somehow i seem to have hurt the ligaments in my left ankle. it feels like i've turned it over slighty, but i don't remember doing anything like that. i'm not too concerned about the hamstring, but i do have a bit of a history with ankle ligaments and i'm not going to run on it until it feels totally ok.

i'll keep you posted, chief. 

Edited: 24/04/2013 at 21:51
24/04/2013 at 22:46
Fastkoala nope haven't owned up to it. In fact there is a 51 mile walk in September which some people run that I am also considering. My plan is just to go running a lot and see what happens in terms of spousal fury If things get out of hand I will forfeit the race entrance and simply cut back on training.

She knows about the Brighton marathon and is fine with that.

Shades I'm thinking of this plan for the ultra - what do you think? It seems like your plan but with back to back long runs on weekends and no speedwork. Keen to hear your thoughts:
24/04/2013 at 23:21
My plan has 5 mile Friday and 4 mile sat, but think I will just do 3 on Friday and rest sat,
25/04/2013 at 07:22

Emmy - I think you should rest....after all how far can you cycle before it doesn't impact on your knee.   You have to cycle 4 times the distance to equate to running, e.g 20 miles on the bike equals a five mile run, not worth it.   And you shouldn't race this weekend until you are injury free.   IMHO you're doing too many marathons too early in your running career.   OK as long as you're prepared for long term injuries and no PB's

Louey - great that you've recovered so well.  Why not alternate the extra session, hill reps one week and intervals or fartlek the next week.

Slowkoala - I've never tried beetroot juice but believe it needs to be mixed with another juice to be palatable.

Training for your 2nd marathon will not impact on your life quite as much as the first one does.

S3200 - I feel like that too when cutting mileage.

Khanivore - let's have a link to this 50 event, is this one of Rory's events?   Will look at training plan later.

Iain - in that case why not run the first half with the sub 3 hour pacers? I'm sure Edinburgh have a pacer at that pace.


25/04/2013 at 08:30

I had a very strange sensation immediately after my run yesterday.  When I stopped after my easy 6-miler and started walking my legs felt like they still wanted to run.  It was very similar to that feeling you get when you've been cycling for a while and then get off and walk, where your legs don't feel "right".  I've never had it before with running though.  Very odd.  I can only put it it down to the massage I had, but I would surprised if it was that as that was on Monday.  Has anyone else had this?

I took the plunge and got my wedding ring reduced in size, and I picked it up on Tuesday.  It had to be reduced two sizes and I was umming and ahhing about it as I'm worried I may put weight back on and have to get it made bigger again, which wouldn't be good!  However, I've gone for it as almost an incentive to try and keep the weight off.  It's still a bit loose so I can afford a few pounds on weight I think.  For the last 3 or 4 months I've been walking around with some tape wrapped around the base of the ring to help it to not slip off!  I was going to get it reduced one size and then get a temporary spacer added, but I thought I'd just go for the full 2-size reduction and see how I get on.

Emmy - I'm no expert, but it sounds like you need to ease off a bit.  Take it easy and get the niggle out of the way.  Easier said than done, I know.

Shades - I don't think I'm suffering too much from taper madness at the moment, as this knee niggle is still taking up my thoughts and I'm still sticking to your plan.  I now have just 4 relatively easy sessions left.  I'm still not sure what pace to go out at though for the marathon.  A big part of me is thinking I'll go at 9min/mile (4hrs) and see how I get on and if I realise I can't keep it up just ease back and make sure I get under 4:30.  What do you think?  I'm a bit worried about that important week I missed through injury (the one with the 22-miler in!) but I'm trying to forget about that.

Shades/VR - have you any particular tips about the NDVM?  I had a look at the profile yesterday and it doesn't look too bad (in terms of hills) but was wondering about your thoughts on it.

For info, this is the course profile.


Edited: 25/04/2013 at 08:33
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