Shades Marathon Training

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24/02/2014 at 13:42

Nice route there Shades - I'll try and have a look for it.  What's next for you race wise?

Yes, I don't think he'll say stop running.  Apart from a day or so after my half last weekend, the issue does seem to go away when I run.

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I'm looking ahead a bit, but I have a 20-mile race quite soon.  Any thoughts on how to run that one?  Shall I run it at 9min/mile (3 hours), which is my current target MP, or go out a bit quicker and see what happens?

This is where McMillan falls down a bit as it presumes that people have trained for the higher distances but off of last week's Half time McMillan suggests 7:47 pace which, to be honest, seems too quick.

Part of me thinks it would be a good confidence boost for me to get around at target MP (if I manage it!!), but another part of me thinks I may as well try and do my best and see what happens and if I blow up, so what?  It's not an "A-race" for me, although it is part of the club championship.  I understand it's a flat course.

Any thoughts?

Edited: 24/02/2014 at 13:44
24/02/2014 at 16:17
Emmy, what are you modelling for? Is Boyska involved?

Big G, I did a 20 mile race last year about 6 weeks before the VLM. I dithered as well re pacing but as I'd already got a few 20 milers done, I decided to run it a bit faster than MP. My MP was 8mm and I did the 20 mile race 15 secs faster per mile (7:45 mm). In hindsight, it could have been risky but my thinking was that I'd be exhausted at the end either way and at least by going a bit faster, I could tell myself that 26 miles at a slower pace would be do-able. I know some people do 20 milers at a variable pace, eg easy then MP in final 10 miles but I prefer to race at a consistent pace.
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24/02/2014 at 16:33

Slowkoala - http://www.hermesrunning.com/ We are on the front page...

Big G - I know people that do what Slowkoala does and does it at race pace/slightly faster to give them some sort of comfort for race day. That might be worth considering.

24/02/2014 at 17:01

Emmy - great photo  definitely should get free entry for that

SK - I PMd you ...but I was too late, sorry!

Shades - that 3 countries in 3 days sounds absolutely exhausting!

KK - great to hear you've done a park run too, hope your foot is ok now

Big G - hope your sports massage isn't too painful

mamfox - I reckon you'll definitely finish under 3.50. I really believe you can crack it in Barcelona.

Post-marathon blues together with not being able to clip in on the bike making me feel a useless twerp. I went out on Sat on my bike with my double sided pedals on and had one foot clipped in and one not, must have looked like a right loony. 

24/02/2014 at 17:14
Love the pic Emmy, but where's Boyska?! You should definitely get free race entry as payment.

Thanks Molly, I just found the message. Post marathon blues normal but not good; when's your next big race? If it makes you feel less useless, my son came back from skiing on Saturday and said that he'd worn my running sunglasses most of the time instead of his new ski goggles. Turns out he hadn't taken the plastic protective film off the goggles - explains why his vision wasn't great

You were dead right re not needing a coat in Rome and Khani said the same thing. But warm weather is so alien right now that I swapped my light rain coat for a padded warm coat in the car on the way to the airport! Have you ever done the Rome marathon?
24/02/2014 at 17:34

SK - yes it's my nearest big marathon - I've done it six times but giving it a miss this year. It's definitely one for your "to do" list as it's like running round an open air museum. The only reason I wouldn't recommend it is if someone has dodgy knees or ankles as they take some beating on the cobbles but I personally don't have any problems with them.  Could be a cheap option for a Shadie outing 2015???

24/02/2014 at 17:40
Sounds good for 2015 but you might want to use your GFA time that you will run later this year to get into London?
24/02/2014 at 22:16

I listened to 2x marathon talk during my long run and the first of the two had Emmy taking 4 out of 5 podium spots lol. What a celeb!

i managed 20.8 miles yesterday. Didn't take any gels. Felt pretty knackered but ok. It was a big relief being able to run it after crashing and burning at 16 miles last time I tried. Now I know it was due to the travelling etc! I plodded it at a slow 10:25 avg min/mile. My goal was to finish which I did Even managed a 4 mile recovery run tonight after work with no major niggles etc.

24/02/2014 at 22:17

Big g that fast caterham looked brill

25/02/2014 at 07:23

Big G - Connemara Ultra is my next key race, but I'll probably do a couple of shorter races before then.

Re the 20 miler, there are lots of options.  A 20 mile race is a great distance and a good chance to perfect your running pace for your marathon.  So I think a decide on the day depending on how you feel.  Personally I'd go for PB marathon pace for the first 15 miles then try and pick the pace up for the last 5 miles.

Molly - only one cure for post marathon blues...enter another one. When is your next race?

When is Rome marathon?

Another run on the back roads this morning, I'm loving these lighter mornings, got wet feet as there's quite a bit of surface water.

 

25/02/2014 at 07:24

Khanivore - well done on your long run, your fitness is improving really well

25/02/2014 at 07:52

I went for my sports massage and was in the torture chair for nearly 1hr15mins!  Ouch!

He suggested a few things:

- cutting down the top of the heal of the shoes I run in to prevent excessive rubbing.
- lots of massage with a golf ball on the sole of my foot, ensuring the foot is warm first.  This will hurt initially.
- doing a stretch to help with the front of my lower legs/shins, which are connected to the achilles. I forget the name of the muscle he mentioned now, but I can look it up. Basically, the stretch involves kneeling down and sitting directly on my heals, and then leaning back to stretch out the front of the lower legs.

Other than that, he  reiterated stretching out my hip flexors to help with perceived tight hamstrings:
- A new one for me and I'm not sure what the stretch is called, but basically it's in the squat position whilst pushing my knees out.
- stretching out the quads (lifting heal to bum, holding foot, and pushing out hips).  I do this regularly anyway, but maybe need to do it more regularly if I can.

He didn't seem overly concerned about the achilles themselves as he mentioned there was only a very small amount of scar tissue and that he would have expected more from someone my age.

This morning is the loosest I've been for a while so the session has definitely helped.  I may go back in 2 or 3 weeks for another go

25/02/2014 at 08:14

Big G - that's good news.  So now you need a little daily routine to stretch all those areas that he's advised.

Since I had my hamstring origin injury I do hip flexor exercises every day and I think it does help the hamstrings.

25/02/2014 at 08:18

Khani - I've not listened to marathontalk in a while as my ipod has corrupted itself I think that was the quad week!

10 tempo miles this morning with the dog... aimed for 7 but then whilst I saw the most amazing sunrise - just had to keep going!

Shades - i do hip flexor exercises to help my hamstrings too... it does seem to work.

25/02/2014 at 10:20

KK - Well done on your first park run. I've never done one of those - they don't exist here.

SK - Hopefully that IT band prob is finally on its way out.. Is that good or bad news for you that your OH is taking up running?!

Snapdragon - Well done on going further than you needed to on that long run. I find it virtually impossible to go past my house. Am a bit like those supermarket trolleys that are programmed to remain within their parking area.... some sort of brake comes on if you overstep the limits.

Molly - Thanks for the vote of confidence! Love the idea of Rome marathon

Big G - Good news that your Achilles problem doesn't sound too serious. Positive that you are also feeling better after just one session too.

Emmy - Looking fab on the photo! I am so dim I was actually imagining you in a Hermès scarf or something.. didn't realise it was some sort of club

Shades - I may also be doing an ultra. Our car has given up the ghost and we have no money to buy a new one . I am going to be on the start line in Barcelona no matter what. Have looked at Mappy and my house is approximately 700km from the Plaça d'Espanya so if I leave in the next 48 hrs and adopt a run/walk stategy I should just about make it ...

25/02/2014 at 12:20

Molly your post marathon blues struck a chord with me as I suffer them each time even if during the race I say to myself never again! As Shades says having another race booked is a good idea. Also I plan meet ups with friends, walks, a swim, massage and chiropody appointment in the week after. Looking back it just seems to take time before you feel your old self again. Hope you are feeling better now.

I ran a "speedy" 3 miles this morning in the glorious sunshine. Never keen on speed work as I feel a bit old for it and have a fear of tripping! Hopefully 13miles tomorrow. Happy running everyone ......

25/02/2014 at 13:04

Emmy - that's a very long tempo run!

Emmy & Lily - Spring is definitely in the air and bodes for better weather for running.  On Sunday I saw masses of snowdrops out, beautiful and this morning crocuses and daffodils too.

Lily - I'm a bit squeamish about feet and the thought of a chiropody appointment is  my worst nightmare.

mamafox - oh no, that is not good news about the car.  You spent the money on a horse so you'll have to ride her to Barcelona   700km is a lot of distance to clock on a borrowed car too.

25/02/2014 at 13:52

Shades - Horse would be a better bet than our second car to be honest (my Renault 5). Anyway, problem solved. Have thrown ourselves at the mercy of MIL and we will borrow her car - payback!

25/02/2014 at 16:33
Afternoon folks.. seems like everyone is seeing signs of spring which is a good thing. There are daffodils and crocuses alk over the place which makes it hard crossing grassy patches as I wouldn't want to crush any but very pretty non the less.
I was reading through some of the earlier posts and saw SK had iT band issues (of which I hope are on the mend) and to be honest I had no clue what it was so I consulted the Oracle that is Google and read up on the symptoms of IT band issues. ...I found that the pains in my knees are exactly as described so I could assume that could be the issues I've had. ( touch wood, no pains this season yet) hmmm
Well it's Tuesday which means club day or torture day whichever fits. They have 4x1 mile laps. With 200m recovery between them planned. Looking forward to it though add I have already seen the difference in My every day runs. .
25/02/2014 at 17:13

mamafox - great news you can borrow MIL's car

Iain - you're very lucky that you may have escaped ITB injuries, very common especially when training for the first couple of marathons.  It would be unusual to develop ITB in both legs but not impossible I guess.

Good luck for tonight's club session

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