Shades Marathon Training

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22/08/2014 at 08:25

Iain, sorry missed your post somehow.  If/when I get back to running, I was thinking about maybe doing a bit less running (maybe down to 3 or 4 times a week, as opposed to 5) and doing a couple of rides a week in place of that and was wondering if that may help keep me a bit less injury prone overall.  I know to get better at running you have to run, but being out for weeks isn't much fun and I was wondering if a more "balanced" approach may be better for me overall.

Either that or when I'm back up to speed, strictly do either one speed session or race per week - and not both.

One step at a time though, as I will have to build the running back up slowly first.  Also, I don't know yet what impact Baby G is going to have on my training in the short/medium term, other than more than likely a big one

22/08/2014 at 09:10

cycling will keep you fit and is good for building endurance, you do need to spend a lot longer in the saddle though  If you look at any Tri program it is more focused on swimming and cycling, the running seems to take care of its self  

when training for IM 70.3 I was running 3 times a week longest one being 1hr 40 but mainly only 30-60 mins bike 3 times built up to 4.5 hours and swimming 3 times.  the main thing with Tri is to learn to run of the bike so did a 4 hour ride followed by a 30 min run.  

shame it all went tits up and had to pack it in, been running for few years with no trouble now and just starting to think if my body is ready to try again, would love to cross the finish line at the uk IM 70.3

22/08/2014 at 09:21
Big_G - I have heard that cycling is a good way to stretch the Achillies with no pressure on it and it strengthens the muscles that support it so I think adding cycling to a weekly plan isn't a bad thing.
22/08/2014 at 09:29

S3200H - I have been contemplating a tri next year as i am finding the marathon training tough. Not that tri training will be any easier but i do struggle with the distance running even in training so apart from halves i want to shorten my running distances and use the cycling i do already and incorporate them into a tri and leave the marathons for a few years down the line. 

22/08/2014 at 09:40

makes sense for you Iain, you have the bike and run sorted how is your swimming?

what you will find though is that when you do a 70.3 you will want to do the full distance 

22/08/2014 at 09:46

S32, it certainly seems to take longer in the saddle.  I am doing 40-miles in about 2hrs40 (relatively slow I suppose, but hilly routes).  I believe this is the equivalent of about a 10-mile LSR which at 10min/mile is 1hr 40 so an hour difference.  My "bog standard" routes are about 15-20 miles so only equivalent of about a 4 or 5 mile run, but I'll be out for over an hour generally for these.  Still I'm enjoying it, which is the main thing.

Even though I've only been cycling 5 or 6 weeks the shape in my legs has definitely changed, and I"m feeling pretty good at the moment to be honest.  Better than sitting at home stewing about blasted achilles anyway!

I'm not thinking about tri, although I was a reasonable swimmer as a kid.  I swam for Devon, but strictly in the pool and although I can obviously swim front crawl, breast stroke was my favourite/quickest.  I can swim in the sea, but I don't overly enjoy it.  However, in those days I was tall for my age and also very slim but broad shouldered, so had somewhat of an advantage compared to those who may have been a foot smaller than me!

22/08/2014 at 10:06

Agv 15mph is very good Big G 

it is the swimming that is putting me of trying again, did not really enjoy it at all.  used to have to drive past the the swimming baths on the way to/from work so was not to bad, now it would be 30 mins in the wrong direction. may be better to think about duathlon.   

22/08/2014 at 10:16

Yes, I have my eye on a duathlon as well, but we'll see.

I should say that I do realise that just because I was a reasonable swimmer 20-odd years ago doesn't mean I'd be a reasonable swimmer now!  In fact, a couple of months ago I went for a swim and was knackered after about 6 lengths of the pool!  I remember we used to do 64-lengths front crawl (about 1 mile) before school in the week!

22/08/2014 at 10:46

Big G- my mum is trying to persuade me to go swimming as well this weekend as cross training. I dont even have a costume that fits anymore!

22/08/2014 at 10:54

S3200H - My swimming isnt that strong anymore, back in South Africa I used to go bodyboarding 4 times a week rain or shine but, although i can swim fairly well, i get tired quickly but i guess that will improve the more i do it. We have a new leisure center opened near us which has a 25m pool and it is really clean and well kept so i guess ill be down there more since it is only about a mile away. I guess if the swimming doesn't go well then i can always try a duathlon but i never shy away from a challenge.

22/08/2014 at 11:34

My swimming is awful. I get bored, then I get tired, then I stop. I like big waves by the sea but that's about it

SK - Wish my MiL would try some magic mushrooms - could only be an improvement.

Shades - Good luck for your ultra - have a great weekend in Ireland!

22/08/2014 at 12:00

Shades - good luck for Longford - enjoy the ultra and the hospitality . Are they doing anything special for BM's 1000th? He's actually got quite chatty and smiley now! And finally agreed to be in photos

22/08/2014 at 12:24

Good luck Shades for this weekend

Mowser - BM doesnt want anything special done.. I think thats why he's doing it in ireland. He's definitely more open now I have found... and even on facebook!

Mamafox - please slip your MIL some mushrooms and film it for us?

22/08/2014 at 13:25

Big G - you're right, one race or one speed session per week, no more.

I'm sure it wouldn't take you long to get your swimming speed back if you wanted too.   Trouble is, it's hard enough to train in one discipline, never mind 3 (not that I would know of course)

mamafox - my swimming is rubbish too, I hate swimming pools and only like swimming in the sea but it's just too much faff so I never bother.

LOL at magic mushrooms for your MiL

mowzer - there's a lot of hospitality for the runners in Longford.   It's the only race that I go to that I actually attend the pasta party, plenty of food and included in race entry.   There's also food after the race but I never go to that as the finish is right outside my hotel so the temptation of a hot bath wins.  Then in the evening there's a post race do in a traditional Irish bar, I might skip that one this year as it doesn't start until 9:30pm (which means in true Irish style not everyone will arrive until about 11pm), I'll be a bit tired by then and I want to get up early on Monday to get my recovery run in, maybe go to the gym, go shopping and travel back to Dublin and on to home!

I'm sure Liam (RO) will make a great fuss of BM doing his 1,000th, (he's done Longford a few times)  they have some press there anyway as I did a radio interview last year

Then we have GL doing her 500th at Kent, first lady in UK to reach 500, she's a great runner.

Good luck to all of you doing Thames Meander this weekend and any other races.

22/08/2014 at 13:26

Emmy - BM on Facebook!!!!   He didn't used to have any internet access, times have moved on"

22/08/2014 at 13:55

He's not active from what i can gather but he's on there!

22/08/2014 at 17:57

Flip Flops, I had a bout of plantar faciitis when my arch collapsed wearing them, I now have a pair with arch support which have been ok.

Shades - less than 2 months until marathon, Ian 14 miles in 2.8.20 this morning, probably a bit too quick but I felt pretty good, I took coconut water with me and it did the trick with both hydration and energy, anyone else got any thoughts on this? It's got no crap in it like some sports drinks.

22/08/2014 at 20:29

Jugula, I've heard good things about coconut water but not tried it yet. An alternative to sports drinks that I sometimes have after long runs is water with a bit of fruit juice added and a quarter of a teaspoon of salt. 

Shades, that's interesting what you read about flip flops and what Jugular found. I think my achilles pain started before I wore them but I think they may have made things worse. Mine felt better today after 6 mile run followed by deep heat! Another day walking in London but this time pain free. Went into a Sweatshop to try on the new Saucony Ride 7s and they didn't sell any Saucony shoes at all. Apparently they only sell them in bigger branches now. Also visited the London Marathon shop. A bit small but they had medals for every single year. I think this years was the best one of the lot!

Big G, I think getting back into running when the little one arrives will be a good thing. From memory you can get a bit stir crazy in the first couple of weeks if you stay in too much and going out for a run will help establish a routine (well that would be my excuse anyway!) I think combining running with cycling can make you a stronger runner. Wish I had a swimming background as I think learning the right technique really helps.

22/08/2014 at 21:14

Shades - someone wrote on BM's facebook page - ' OMG BM has a computer now'. He replied 'I don't have a computer. I have a phone.'

Good luck for anyone doing Thames Meander tomorrow . I've been told the course is very different this year, so it will be interesting to see what the runners prefer.

2nd session of Nordic Walking for me today. I'm hoping it will give my upper body a bit of a workout and possibly help with posture. That'll be in the future though - at the moment I'm just struggling with straight arms and co-ordination .

I'm going to miss GM's 500th . First time I've booked something else for that weekend since I started - I think it's going to be a bit of a party .

22/08/2014 at 22:38


I kinda assumed BM was doing it via phone being most people have internet capable phones these days

Shades - I'll be going to the exact same place we had dinner 4 years ago in Spalding tomorrow night. Assuming i can remember where it is....

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