Shades Marathon Training

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26/08/2014 at 10:51

Emmy, yes - I can't really believe it.  News like this often puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

Only last week I was in touch with him about the local cycling club, which he was also a member of.  I was asking for advice on which training group to go along with and other general cycling queries, and as always he was very helpful.  A real shock

26/08/2014 at 11:05

That is terrible Big G - really upsetting news. Did he have any history of heart problems or anything? If he's left a wife and three children behind I'm guessing he was quite young too. Must be a massive shock for all that knew him.

26/08/2014 at 11:19

 that is so sad, really sorry to hear that.

26/08/2014 at 12:09

mamafox, I don't know his exact age but I know he was in his early 50s.  I also don't know his history with regards to heart problems.  I would think that everyone in the club knew him as he organised things like annual family camping trips and other activities, as well being one of the coaches.

26/08/2014 at 13:27

Big G - so sorry to hear that sad news, what a tragic thing to happen.

26/08/2014 at 13:33

That's sad news Big G. Sorry to hear it.

26/08/2014 at 22:11

Back to running, I was listening to MarathonTALK and I'm a couple of weeks behind.  There is an interesting story as to why there were no British men running the recent Euro Champs marathon.  There were 3 men who had been selected to run the marathon as they had made the 2:17 qualifying time.  However, one of those men was also selected for the Commonwealths and decided to do that and so couldn't do the Euros as well as they were so close together.  In their infinite wisdom, British Athletics pulled the whole team (i.e., the remaining two men, neither of who had ran in the Commonwealths), and so didn't send anyone to run.  This is because apparently there is a "team" element to the euros, and there has to be 3 people per team to score.

What a strange decision.  I have been googling to find a source for this story, and have come across a blog by Andi Jones (one of the runners who had qualified but then was told he couldn't run) where he mentions it in passing at the top of this post.

Unbelievable decision really.  The governing body basically decided not to send runners, even though they had met the qualifying standard.

27/08/2014 at 07:06

Big G - there are 3 required for the team event at the Europeans and although it was a shame that the team were pulled but they were warned, so maybe the runners should have pulled together to try and keep that team together.   What's very sad is that we didn't have any other runners that could make the qualifying time.

Short run for me today as I have a niggle, sore foot, the joint below my big toe so I'm hoping it's just a little post race soreness that will go as I have a 50 mile race in 10 days time.

27/08/2014 at 07:12

Shades - hoping that the injury clears up. Which 50 miler are you doing?

5 miler for me this morning. Started out before dawn but ran as the sun was coming up. Was lovely but a little chilly. I hate to say it but is autumn arriving?

27/08/2014 at 08:12

Emmy - it was so dark this morning when I ran, can't believe the difference in a few days.  But it was very warm this morning, even though it was windy.

I'm doing Dingle 50 and I don't want to DNS as I've heard that this is the last time the 50 miler will be on.   I've heard conflicting stories, one that there will be no ultra after this year and others that the distance will drop to 39.3 miles, not sure if that would take you over Conor Pass which is the special part of this race.

27/08/2014 at 08:25

Hi Shades - It was the first time that I thought about wearing gloves whilst on my run this morning

Ah, the dingle 50! I didnt realise that it was the last year for the 50 miler that's a shame as its such a lovely race. I've heard a few races are going that way at the moment with reducing or changing their distances.

27/08/2014 at 08:35

Shades, regarding the Euros I got the impression (maybe incorrectly?) that British Athletics could still have sent two individuals and not competed in the team event, but chose not to.  I agree though, it's a shame that there aren't more making the qualifying times.

I hope your niggle clears up soon.

Edited: 27/08/2014 at 08:35
27/08/2014 at 09:23

was having a good tempo run last night then 8 mile in felt tight in my calf, about 5-6ins up from my ankle, thought it may be my achilles, was close to home so called it a night. had a good dig around and pretty confidant that it is the Soleus muscle.  it was very sore so gave it a good massage and tiger balm feels a lot better this morning,  will take it easy for the rest of the week.  

Would i be correct in thinking most achilles injures are just above the ankle.  where does yours hurt Big G, 

27/08/2014 at 10:01

Being the geek that I am, I checked Power of 10 and saw that there are 8 men who have made the Euro qualifying time in 2014.  I don't know what the dates were for qualifying for the Euros though.  I'm guessing Mo was never a contender and 4 others ran at the commonwealths, leaving 3 who have made the time in 2014.


S32, my issue starts more or less level with the ankle and goes down towards the heel, but doesn't reach it.  It's getting better now, but when I used to squeeze the achilles at that point it was sore/tender.

27/08/2014 at 11:39

Big G - tragic news about your club mate. His family must be devastated.

Shades - great pb and a prize too. Congratulations

Moore & Emmy - well done on yet more marathons . I believe that in future they are putting the extra loop on at the beginning as so many runners were dejected when it came just before the end.

Great to see Keith (and Hippo and a few other usual suspects) at Boston . I had a pretty good run - steady running until 31 laps and then added a couple of walks each lap on the very short and shallow inclines. As I walked  the same sections each time the pacing stayed even if slower. Managed to run the last 2 laps and then we had to trot round in circles on the grass until the time was up. Did 63 miles and 825 yds which I was extremely pleased with  (and which I think will probably be my final pb!). Had a bit of stomach cramp from about mile 22 which resulted in an enforced loo stop of 10 mins at mile 24, but was ok after. Big problem was that I found my mouth was too dry to eat much, although I had plenty of water with electrolytes, plain water and coke. I managed half a scotch pancake (plain ones are too hard too digest but they didn't have the ones with lemon and raisins), a couple of pretzels, a bite of flapjack, 2 dried apricots and 2 boiled sweets ( which felt like life savers at the end). If I ever do this again I will take things like rice pud, yogurt and jelly which slide down. Couldn't even drink my choc milk at the end , but called in at a McD on the way back and devoured large fries and a very large coke . The course was good with plenty of variety within just a mile. Hot day with sunshine along the river stretch but also a good bit of shade too. Fantastic support from the marshalls, lap counters, supporters and fellow runners who we were continually meeting. Good day out - worth doing next year folks .

Did Pathfinder Walk near Cambridge on Monday (well, it was on the way home and I had booked it before Boston). Found it very tough - legs ached and were filled with concrete. Weather didn't help as it teemed down with rain and also blew gale force winds at one point - I actually wore my waterproof jacket the whole time and didn't overheat. I love this event though and was lucky enough that DD walked/ran most of it with me - his constant chatter kept me going. Finally staggered in at 6:55 . I found eldest daughter and dog had walked the short event and she had reserved the last egg for me so that I could have an egg roll at the finish . Sad to find that next years event will probably be the last as the race organiser is retiring - hope someone else will step in to continue it. This low key event really is a highlight of the Bank Hol Weekend - do this one too folks!!

27/08/2014 at 13:23

Emmy - Dingle 50 is not cost effective, the RO has to lay on a lot of extra effort and cost for the ultra.

I've been wearing gloves several mornings now and at Longford I wore them for the first 2 hours of the race.

S3200H - I do hope that niggle heals quickly, sounds like soleus to me, gentle calf stretches should help.

Big G - that's really interesting, maybe a runner needs an A standard to run as an individual in the Europeans, and of course they need to have run that within the qualifying period.

mowzer - that is a brilliant PB at Boston, well done.  It's a nice course, I might do it next year, we'll see.

Amazing that you then lined up for another event the next day.

I know what you mean about the food in an ultra, I've had macaroni cheese during a track ultra and that went down really well.  Not something I can successfully carry for a road race though

27/08/2014 at 15:02

mowzer, I can't believe the running you do.  A 63 miler followed by another race the next day.  Unbelievable!!

Shades, I will try and find out the rules around the A-standards and qualifying as it has intrigued me.  However, if it was British Athletics who pulled the plug on those two athletes competing what does that say to those up-and-coming marathoners?  I don't think it's a good message at all.

Anyway, I got a nice cycle ride in after work last night.  It was nice riding conditions and I really enjoyed it, although I found myself thinking about my running mate a lot.

It's a bit of a morbid topic, but I've already had non-running mates say "See, I told you running was no good for you".  In response, all I've really said is that a) non-runners do also drop dead from time to time b) I don't want to speculate, but his issue may have had nothing to do with running at all c) there are other fitness and mental health benefits from running etc etc.  What do you all say if/when you get challenged by non-runners about your running?

He was being totally serious, but one of my close non-running mates (overweight!) said "See, I told you running was no good for you.  Look who out of the two of us has the achilles issue!".  The trouble is, when you look at it in isolation, I suppose he's right.  Not that I need to defend myself to anyone, but it does get on my nerves a bit.

27/08/2014 at 15:10

Mowser - what an awesome PB time! I thought that i heard that you were at Pathfinder but i couldnt believe it!

27/08/2014 at 15:28

Big G - I can understand UKA pulling the other 2 members as they no longer had a team and I think they are limited to the numbers they can field who don't have the A standard..   I think the message is right, throw the gauntlet down to the athletes to do better and get the qualifying times.  The qualifying time is only seconds faster than Paula's time.

Re your non running mates and the comments, they are trying to justify their lazy and unhealthy life styles, far more of them will die prematurely and most importantly they won't have the quality of life that exercise gives you.   And I bet if you ask them if they are happy with what they see in the mirror, they'll get cross with you!

27/08/2014 at 16:14

Mowzer - You make me laugh! - Only you can do another mega race after getting a fab PB in an ultra the day before as it was "On the way home"!!  Most of us pop into a shop because it's "on the way home"..  Fantastic running, well done you.

Moore, Keith and Emmy - Fab running from all of you too. Moore and Emmy you must be made of stern stuff to be able to do another 2 mile loop when you thought it was all over. That is the stuff that my nightmares are made of.

Shades - Well done on a PB and a prize. It is completely irrelevant how many other women were in your race - you got second place and beat all of those who were still in bed or car booting or whatever and that is brilliant  How did you get on with nutrution/stomach issues - any better?

Big G - No one has ever challenged me about my running but I have been criticised for "forcing" my dogs to do so much mileage (!)

Just entered La Rochelle marathon which takes place on the 30th Nov  Is a little close for comfort to Cognac (8th Nov) but we will see. Mind you, Barcelona and Cheverny this Spring were also 2/3 weeks apart and I managed to lurch through both of those and come out the other side so roll on November!

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