Tell me not to do this.

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29/07/2013 at 21:43

I've been looking about for an event to do and thought 'maybe the Dublin marathon'. Then I looked at the date and figured I've been slacking too much to train for it. I looked at a couple of training plans just to see if I could start at week four or five of  sixteen week plan, but I'm not really there. One put up a big warning in red that I risked injury or death unless I'd started the programme in June, fair enough.

Then I tried the Smartcoach calcualtor. Try putting in 25 minute 5K, 6-10 miles per week currently, moderate training 13 weeks and see what comes out.

I say nothing against the calculator, but this is just a case of putting silly figures in and getting an unrealistic answer isn't it ?

 

 

29/07/2013 at 21:50
Short answer as requested: don't do it.

If you have not trained properly you might want to give it a miss and look for a different event to do. Maybe a HM in 3 months time? You might be able to get round the marathon but I'm not sure how much fun it will be to do one when you have not trained enough and possibly risk injury.
cougie    pirate
29/07/2013 at 22:00
Have you run a marathon before ? Would you be bothered with a run walk get you round or would you want to get a PB ?

I'm sure you could do enough to get you round if you're in a 25 min 5k shape at the moment. As jindalee says - the race might not be pretty.
29/07/2013 at 22:08

why would you want to though?

29/07/2013 at 22:34

What's the length of the longest run you can comfortably do?

You would need 2-3 weeks taper and 3-5 20milers with maybe 2-3 weeks between. 

So working back 11/8/5 weeks to 20milers. To give you a chance of getting anywhere near that you need to be doing 10-13 miles as your longest run already.

You can get round with only 1 20miler in the bank. I think these 16 week plans are really just get you round plans.

 

30/07/2013 at 00:34

Thanks for the answers. I have this terrible tendency to think I've found a way of getting more for less. I knew that my data would condemn me to an achey exhaustion and probable strain, but a part of me kept going "Go on, it might just work".

After a year of running, I had got myself up to doing fifteen to sixteen mile runs a year ago and then strained a calf muscle, came back, broke my fibula and then got really ill over Chritmas.

I'm back to running about nine miles pretty comfortably and am trying to keep my pace up on shorter runs because last year after about  year of training, I found I could increase my distance pretty steadily, but I kept getting slower each time.

My aim for a marathon, if I ever get that far, is to run it and finish intact, preferably feeling like I haven't been stretched on the rack.

30/07/2013 at 07:46

My view is that even if there are good reasons for building up to a marathon from nothing in 13 weeks, 'I've been looking about for an event to do' probably isn't one of them.

30/07/2013 at 07:59

Why not do it next year?

30/07/2013 at 08:20
Or do a spring marathon? That will give you enough time to train properly.
30/07/2013 at 08:31

Very good advise above. Why not try a half marathon instead or do one on a later date? 

30/07/2013 at 09:02
cj dold wrote (see)

 

After a year of running, I had got myself up to doing fifteen to sixteen mile runs


So not really much point aiming to get up to 26 miles in 13 weeks unless you are loking for a pretty unpleasant experience at the end of it. There's another thread not too far from here where they are discussing how many 20+ mile runs should be part of a marathon training plan.

30/07/2013 at 09:11

I'm afraid I come from a running background where taking on marathons were the preserve of athletes with about 10 years training behind them.

Now its just another item on an idiots bucket list.

30/07/2013 at 11:27
RicF wrote (see)

I'm afraid I come from a running background where taking on marathons were the preserve of athletes with about 10 years training behind them.

Now its just another item on an idiots bucket list.

Bit rude don't you think? The guy wants to give a go, who are you to call him an idiot? 

seren nos    pirate
30/07/2013 at 11:40

Ric.it might be on a bucket list.but so what......i ran 3 miles and decided that i would eneter a marathon..I did have 8 months to rain and enjoyed it..carried on running since and that was 8 years ago.......

without the marathon to aim for I would probably have given up but instead i joined a club and have ran some wonderful races over the years......

doesn't matter what is the reason for people to start running........as long as they do

30/07/2013 at 11:50
I also don't think you need to have run for 10 years to do a marathon. I think it doesn't matter how long someone has been running for, but I think everyone should look at it realistically and train for the event properly to be able to enjoy it and to prevent injury.
30/07/2013 at 11:55
cougie wrote (see)
Have you run a marathon before ? Would you be bothered with a run walk get you round or would you want to get a PB ?

if they haven't run a marathon before it will be a PB anyway.

30/07/2013 at 11:56
Jindalee wrote (see)
I also don't think you need to have run for 10 years to do a marathon. I think it doesn't matter how long someone has been running for, but I think everyone should look at it realistically and train for the event properly to be able to enjoy it and to prevent injury.

i think RicF was referring more to clowns like that David fella that was on here before.

30/07/2013 at 12:46

Fair comment RicF, btw, I think you meant "idiot's", possesive rather than plural. I'm aware that the popular marathons are the equivalent of the 'head of the river race' or some numpty snowploughing the Hahnenkamm in about half an hour.

As I understand it, marathons were the preserve of decent runners so they only had to shut the route for three hours.If you were going to take more than 2:45 you got kicked off the course.

 

When the course was opened up to the world and his wife we saw a plethora of training plans that suggeste that four months was sufficient to train for such an event. 

Is there actually a training plan that reflects real experience for ab intio runners ?

Stuff like:

Q: How do I train for this year's Dublin marathon ?

A: Start training last year.

The general rule about not adding more than 10% a week seems to be ignored by most race training plans.

Presumably at some point, the compound interest law kicks in and even a 10% addition would be an overstretch ?

Ayways, I don't want to end up like a mate who 'ran' London in the early days. He didn't train worth a darn and got a time of something like 7 hours.

 

 

30/07/2013 at 12:51
Try a Hal Higdon plan I used a beginner one for my first marathon and it got me round in good shape.
30/07/2013 at 13:01

The 10% rule is to stop your tendons and ligaments from lagging behind your aerobic system and muscles. They take about 3x as long to develop the strength. So 2days might see your muscles get stronger but 6days to see the same improvement in your ligaments. If you limit what you're doing to your muscles then you give everything else a chance. 

By the time you've got to 10miles you're fairly safe to go 13, 15, 18, 20. On the day you're going 20-26 that's a 30% jump!

Your Long Slow Runs are supposed to be SLOW. I think you need to understand a lot more about what the various types of training run are for before you attempt any training plan or the plan is useless. 

I would try a year of half marathons first, get 5 or 6 of them under your belt. 

Edited: 30/07/2013 at 13:04
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