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29/12/2012 at 18:27

parkruns are super well organised and I think seeing as Stevie has only ever run one and PRF has run hundreds and others including us have run close to a hundred, then I think the comment is a little unjust!  I have seen olympians at events and retired elite runners who still run pretty fast and up and coming fast runners and also loads of slow people, but each person will have their own goals and really if you want a fast time then there are many certified courses that certainly seem good enough for the likes of Marting Yelling, Steve Way, Andy Badley etc. 

Well done today parkrunners!    

29/12/2012 at 18:59

Ooh, parkruns.  They're alright.

14.5 miles for me today, but I think I spent longer reading back.  Stitches and ribs and improvements abounding.

I had goose for xmas dindins.  Just thought I'd throw that in.  None left for sandwiches the next day, which tells you how much better it is than that American bird.

So nobody went with the (slightly wimpy) demand to stick down their new year's running resolutions, or whatever they might be.  Goals for 2013...?  Me:
Run a 10k race and get an official time, to replace the 48mins something I got a few years ago.
Get over 80%WAVA in a race (albeit a very short one, but I'm really going to give it a shot this summer).
Not complain too bitterly if I don't get sub-3 at VLM, nor immediately sign up for an autumn marathon.  (Maybe wait a couple of hours.)
Run more miles that I want to run, and fewer that I don't.
Run more for the club (this year has been fun!).
Stick to the plan, just not religiously.

30/12/2012 at 10:33
Hi everyone
I posted here a while ago but then stopped and have been lurking ever since. I'm a regular on Minni's thread.
Just wanted to say hi to Curly who I stalked at the Richmond park Xc before Christmas- that was me How is the training going? What's your target for Brighton?
30/12/2012 at 10:49
Welcome (back) Brolish.

MrV - very decent mileage there for Christmas week.

Ratzer - I think we had a small discussion about 2013 targets, a bit prematurely a couple of weeks ago. Mine involved having a good marathon and smashing as many PBs as possible.

Yesterday's session was done on a very minor hangover, much more affected by the wind. 10 x 400m hill reps book-ended by two lots of 4k which were supposed to be sort of ~HMP and ~MP respectively, and actually 5:45/m and 6:17/m due to the wind. All in all, some nice variety. Then this morning, a rather, er, impromptu session which basically involved running home from a bar (club?!) in Hackney at 2am. For the purposes of the training log I think I was running for one hour (second half of Genesis' Foxtrot followed by 10 tracks of Grace by Jeff Buckley) so I'm putting that down as 7.5 miles.
30/12/2012 at 11:44

people are loving the park runs!

Brolish...that's an excellent name...are you a mixture of Polish and  ex Leeds chubby footballer Tomas Brolin?

30/12/2012 at 14:34

Viper - nice session.  You going to progress that to 12 reps eventually?  Is there any reason why you did not do 4*1 mile, as that sounds more race-specific to me?

Duck - congrats on starting coaching.  What would you say has been your main source of running knowledge to start coaching?

With regards to Park Run timings, they are as accurate as anywhere but a timing error stripped me of a pb. I timed 18:37, but offical results showed 18:43   Normally I find that my official results are one second slower than my own timings.

About 20-25 miles from me this week.  Although it is so hard to derive targets, given my last race was two comebacks ago, I am aiming for sub 18 5k and sub 35 10k next year.  Enjoying running, as always, but in the back of my mind I am a little bitter when I look at my pace and heart rate and think to myself that my HR is 20bpm higher than it should be.

30/12/2012 at 14:41

Josh, can't worry about things you can't affect.

I see where your sub 18 5k aim comes from, but if you're entertaining the idea of a sub 35 10k, surely that 5k will need to be in the sub 17.30 territory as an absolute minimum, probably sub 17 to keep it in sync.

Edited: 30/12/2012 at 14:42
30/12/2012 at 14:46
Stevie G . wrote (see)

people are loving the park runs!

Brolish...that's an excellent name...are you a mixture of Polish and  ex Leeds chubby footballer Tomas Brolin?


Stevie G . wrote (see)

people are loving the park runs!

Brolish...that's an excellent name...are you a mixture of Polish and  ex Leeds chubby footballer Tomas Brolin?

Steve- lol. You're right about the Polish bit but no, I have never heard about Tomas Brolin (probably because I'm Polish). It was a bit of a joke on here when I got my British citizenship as in- what does it make you and we decided on Brolish. I thought it had a good ring to it so left it as my forum name.

30/12/2012 at 17:17

Just to add another spanner in the works can I point out that it is parkrun as in one word not park run or Park Run.  It is not an individual going for a park run as in a run in the park, but an organised event called parkrun  lol

Edited: 30/12/2012 at 17:19
30/12/2012 at 17:43

What a pedant

Although a factually correct pedant it has to be said

30/12/2012 at 19:11

Nice mileage. Mr V. I'm expecting to hit an all time mileage high this coming week. Those sorts of sessions can be tough in bad weather, so nicely done.

Ratzer, all good goals, but please condense them into a neat one line summary. I demand it.

Phil, nice session on a hangover. How drunk were you on the run home from Hackney?

Hi, Brolish.

I did 17.3 miles tonight, which is the longest since January I think. It's also about a week's worth of Asics marathon training. I doubt I'll go much further than that this year.

I will probably go for a park run tomorrow. Then a couple of parkruns on Tuesday. Anybody else getting two done on NYD?

30/12/2012 at 19:36

Simon - we're doing a Netley Abbey/Southampton double header on NYD.

30/12/2012 at 20:35
Simon - pretty spannered to be honest. I was on the Belgians all evening, average ABV around 9%, and washed down with some very suspect shots. When trying to estimate mileage I reminded myself I got a bit carried away during the 'Apocalypse 9/8' section of Supper's Ready and found the easiest way to run at the right tempo was to speed up. God knows what I must've looked like, knocking out sub-6m/m pace along the canal path at 2:15am, fully clothed. Life-affirming stuff.

17 miles - that's like a proper long run.
30/12/2012 at 22:01

We're doing Bushy/Kingston and running between the two

Then going up in town to meet the post race Serpies 10k lot for some beers

18 miles for me today @ 9:11 rounds off a 54.5 mile week. Got Surrey XC on Saturday and a 20 miler on Sun next week, oh and a HMP session on Tues. 'citing.

PRF will netley be on? It was seriously waterlogged on the first event and it has been a LOT wetter since!!

Good mileage Mr Viper you are storming along at the moment.

Hello Brolish no finlised Brighton target as yet. Currently working on three things:

c) a pb (sub 3:56)
b) a GFA time (sub 3:50)
a) a sub 3:30

But races recently hve been surprising me so if (big if) this continues and if (second bg if) I can carry my fitness through into the longer distances then I may think about something a little faster. At the end of the day though this will be my first raced marathon. There is plenty of scope for a good pb at least.

What about you?

Nice long run Simon!

30/12/2012 at 23:27
Simon Edward wrote (see)

Ratzer, all good goals, but please condense them into a neat one line summary. I demand it.

Ratzer wrote (see)

10k race and over 80%WAVA, sub-3 at VLM, Run more[. P]lan, just no.

Nice long run, btw, but not long enough for ASICS - you've got too many miles left over to spend on the rest of the week!

Drunk Phil, nice mileage.  But you remember it...

Curly, a raced marathon?  I'm intrigued.  Who are you racing?  Magpie?

Ooh, gym for me tonight and a few recovery miles.  Gym first time in months and it feels like it!  I'll consider why I'm back in the gym in another missive from Planet Ratzer...

30/12/2012 at 23:44
I may also be doing Netley on New Year's Day - hope it all goes well on the day PRF! However, I guess the probability of me even running in just the one will depend on how much of a sore head I will have after tomorrow night. The latest on the Facebook site is that Netley are looking for volunteers...I think they may have diverted the course due to waterlogged paths before but I have turned up too late to hear the briefing when that has been the case.

Just come back from an 8.24 mile undulating easy run at 8.12 m/m pace. Did a very similar session to Mr Viper yesterday with 8x800 metre reps and 90 second recoveries in similar squally conditions with every other rep ran into a gusty headwind along Barry Waterfront - this is reflected in the splits below in what was a very tough session;

6:01 (m/m), 6:32, 6:11, 6:19, 6:15, 6:34, 6:12, 6:26. Also ran a mile warm up and warm down.

I started the first rep too quickly but soon got into a decent pace. The 6th was the slowest but was attempting to save some for the final two. All in all a good workout and very challenging running into the wind on every return rep.

Also ran 7 miles Friday and 5 on Thursday all at a fairly easy pace.

Some great training going on as usual...Simon...nice long run there. And my partner would also probably agree with yours re: any smackdown

Nice goals for 2013 Ratzer.

PP - that's a good way to fit a session that sort of time as well!

Hilly...funny you should say that on the parkrun spelling. I am on an iPad and trying to get used to it and has defaulted to park run a few times
Edited: 30/12/2012 at 23:48
31/12/2012 at 10:22
WJH wrote (see)
Park runs to me are a bit like Weatherspoons pubs. You get a bit of everyone going to them!

Love it WJH and I agree 

I think parkruns could possibly be the best things that has happened to grassroots distance running in Britain in recent years. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next 10 years or so if we see the next Mo Farah claiming he discovered his love of running after trying a parkrun as a kid before moving into the club scene.

Well ground out at parkrun Duck, and excellent work on the coachee. I might have my own coachee on the go pretty soon…..

Simon cracking long run, you must be feeling on the way back to form if you are throwing miles in like that? I got and tested a new headlamp, on the same night as you, spooky, and it was spooky. Running through woods a night freaks me out

Mr V – impressive training seems to be the norm from you these days, nice one.

Ratzer – loving the running resolutions, especially the plan and running more miles than you want to ones.

Hi Brolish

Phil – pisshead training, like it

Stevie G – he’s a vacuum cleaner salesman now.

Curly – nice hedging of your bets, I reckon 2013 will be good, you seem to be onto a good formula now.

I binned the 10k race I had planned yesterday, didn’t feel like racing and conditions were pretty grim. A quick look at the results on PO10 seems to justify the decision, not many PBs or SB times about on a course that usually provides a PB fest. So in lieu of racing I got a decent long run in, 18m in a gently progressive style. 10m at 8:00/m with a couple of clubmates then one dropped off and two of us did another 8miles with a few 7:30s dropped in. HR was higher than it should be for the effort and the whole run felt a bit too much like hard work. So I think the decision to drop the race was a good one, did a bit of strength work last night as well, legs a bit sore today so any running I do today will be slow and not very far, Marathon training proper starts tomorrow



31/12/2012 at 11:23

Curly- VLM is next for me for the first time. The target at this stage is to improve on San Sebastian so anything under 3h26. We'll see how the training goes. When you say you haven't raced a mara before what do you mean?  Did you pace someone or just did it as a training run? I'm also doing the Surrey xc on Saturday- do you know what distance it is? The 7.5m last time almost killed me.

Happy New Year to everyone!

31/12/2012 at 11:32

Brolish – San Sebastian Marathon you say, what was the race like? I went to San Sebastian a few years back and loved it, especially the pintxos and Vino crawl we did

31/12/2012 at 11:43

Its 6km for girlies, 7.5M for men. Luckily as Lloyd Park is a beast 

I did London in 09 when I hadnt been running long and since then have run one self guided with tea and cake checkpoint over distance (circa 27 miles) "marathon" and one as a long run in the summer, so I've never raced one before as in been fit enough to run at a set pace all the way. Although this is in theory my 4th marthon this is the first time I have felt really like I might do the distance some justice.

I'll more than likely be at VLM at the start helping out

Good long running YD if the weather is anything like down here then not racing seems very smart.

Nice session WJH - what sort of pace does that represent? 5k or 10k? Hope you arent too tired out today as that is a lot of quality in one session!

5m @ 9:11 for me today. Urgh its orrible out

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