Nice run Duck I see a great 2013 ahead on the track ...oh, and I hope Simon has speeded up since being pipped by an untrained 14 year old at Bushy earlier in the month.
Might have been pipped, Dan, but at least I remembered my barcode
Curly, that's an interesting multi-pace session there. Sticking in some faster stuff towards the end of a hardish run is a good approach I think.
Duck, did pretty well today I thought. Once I blew up and he was ahead of me I could tell he was having trouble because of the surface. Apart from that looking very strong and great running form.
I knew I wasn't back to fitness, and haven't done much faster than MP in training, but still 18:45 was a bit disheartening for what was pretty much a proper effort. Interestingly my average HR was 186, whereas previous 5ks have seen it at around 190. I think that suggests work on lactate threshold is needed, which is what I'm doing anyway, so that's nice.
YP - Good to hear your recovery is complete.Alehosue - Great to see you running again!Duck - Strong effort. Sounds like sub 18 is doable in favourable conditions.Curly - Steady improvement from you. Next weekends race will be interesting.Simon - Doesn't sound too bad in the conditions. I expect once you've worked on the lactate threshold you'll pick up pretty quickly.Enforced rest day for me yesterday as leg was too sore to run. An easy 7.5 today but it hurt during the last mile. Plan at the moment is just to nurse my way through to next weekend and hope I'm ok to race.
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... and you probably didn't throw away half your clothes on the course either.
18:45 is pretty solid in these conditions, especially given the time of the season etc.
MrV ... a rest day sounds sensible to me. I'm having one myself!
21 miles @ 9:02 for me this morning takes me to 66 for the week. Tasty. Feeling pretty good on it too.
Waved goodbye to Duck at some ungodly hour this morning - hope your mile goes well
Who else has been running today?
Nice long running Curly and good mileage. You must be feeling strong now.
Phil, that's a mental training run. Have you stopped eating yet?
Duck, agree you shouldn't read much into it. Your 1500 the other day shows what you're actually capable of. I bet you want to nail that mile though. I think it can be quite a tough one - they're not as common and that extra 109 metres can worry you. I ended last season about 8-9 seconds off what I think I could have managed
YP, are you free on the 6th Feb? I'm launching my running group then. I'd be careful with that calf. Maybe some strides would be better before trying 1 mile reps.
I was shattered today actually. I managed a slow 10 miles but it felt more like 15. Day off tomorrow.
Curly - nice consistencyDuck - how suitable do you find your shorter sprint training for the mile? Would a long distance runner stuggle to compete in the mile if the competition is strong?Phil - I have been doing my early morning weekday runs before eating breakfast, but I couldn't imagine doing so much running without eating before hand. Are you trying to encourage efficient fat-burning?Very tough muddy 12 miler @ 8:10 pace today and 40 miles for the week. Like Simon I am knackered. The mud just made my run a lot harder than what it should of been and my shoes felt heavy after just 2 miles. I am so happy it has got a bit warmer now - running is just infintely better when it isn't sub-zero.
Curly reckoned conditions were worth ~30 seconds yesterday, so not a bad time at all Actually ended up winning my age category not bad going at all!
Here's me and Simon at the start (I'm in the white top with red horizontal stripe, Simon is to my left in the red top).
Great you got your 21 done Curly
Josh - not much actually. It's all different energy systems (ATP-CP for sprinting and lactic glycolytic/aerobic for MD) so while it might help with a quick first 400 it won't help much over a mile. Did you see Dai Greene yesterday in the 600? Him tying up in the final lap is what I'm like most of the time over about 800m.
So had my mile today - 5'11 the outcome. Decent first lap in 73 but after that the last few days caught up and I ended up running 78, 81, 78. Legs felt really tired and hamstrings were very tight. Had a mini-stop right after but in retrospective not a bad result. I did run a 4'58 1500 equivalent last weekend and I haven't suddenly lost all that fitness. Just not the day
Did a 100m after - handtimed but not by me. 12.7 the result, about 10 mins after the mile so pretty happy.
Big miles day it seems…….Duck – some good running then, nice to get a strong run in at Bushy. Not surprised you struggled today, traveling can zap you in a big way, and at least you got a quick 100 in. Not long ago I ran a parkrun full beans after a day in the car driving home from London. I ran a strong time but felt I was missing a gear. A few weeks later I ran a 5 mile race at exactly the same pace, both parkrun and 5 mile race were on good courses, so no BS factor other than traveling the day before the parkrun. Although not a great run Simon, you got some decent training feedback, so a good day.Good to see you off the bench YP, build steady now.Phil, monster run!!! Great session on Friday, followed by a 21 miler, nice one CurlyGood to see Josh back to running.Fingers crossed you are ok to give it full beans next Sunday Mr VChin up WJH, a cold a cough and snow will slow you down in a big way. When you are having a poor time like you are, I find it just best to try and relax and aim for consistent consistency. Don’t smack yourself trying to find the fitness, just keep it going and it will come back once the bugs leave. I did 21.76m on nothing more than a glass of water this morning, felt pretty good on it as well. A couple of good climbs en-route, ran up Sheriff Hill and up Bensham Road, both in Gateshead, Kelly and Mr V might recognise them. Then tonight I ran 4.6miles to bring up 26.36miles for the day.
LOL whats with the extra double YD? Good running anyway.
WJH what he said up there. Chin up, do some running and stop pushing for fitness that will come but isnt quite there yet. Oh and you are faster than me and YP and CB so definitely not out of place on the thread. Its about attitude not times, we all want to be better and are happy to put some work in to get there
Phil nice! I get the sense we are feeling very similar at the moment, strong and relaxed. Hope that continues for you!
Duck you were tired on Saturday, plus all the running, plus flying. I think that time is pretty decent considering it was no doubt a solo time trial - its very hard to go to the hurt locker when you are tired and you dont have a race to do it for!
YP ah this could be smackdown time Not really as your overall speed is higher than mine, but I hope to keep you in sight for a few miles and try not to be sick on me as I come through the finish..
A bit tired today (worked after run then met a friend in London for dinner. Phil we went here:http://www.tomskitchen.co.uk/chelsea think you would like!)
A lowish mileage week planned before Sunday's race so hopefully will have time to get race sharp as that is my biggest gap at the moment (not unsurprisingly).
Nice long running from Josh too.
Still awaiting a report of the craic from some of the Northern lot!
A lot of read back - and this time I'll make the effort to comment! (sorry if I miss you out - it's not intentional!)
Duck - a mental few days. 12 miles long run? On other threads that means you're a marathonner. Good parkrun given the condidtions.
YP - Good news on the calf.
Alehouse - great news on the 3k
Curly - some great sessions - another complicated pacey session for me to try to wrap my head around! And 21 miles for a long run as well. Your pbs are going to take a severe hammering this year.
Simon - at least the parkrun confirmed what you already knew and are working on!
Mr V - Hope the leg is better soon.
Great long run Phil and double YD
WJH - It's still 2 tough outings to make you a stronger runner. I echo what Curly said, the thread is about collaboration for improvement. Keep posting - your times give me something to aspire to!
Tried out new shoes this morning - Saucony Hattoris, with zero heel to toe drop. Was expecting some amazing revelation as in "Wow! Barefoot running! How have I ever managed without these!" But in truth they just felt ok until I changed back to my normal shoes after 2 miles, at which point I struggled for the first few hundred metres seemingly hobbling along! I'll persevere with the Hattoris and see if it makes any difference.
WJH – Keep plugging away consistently and you’ll get the rewards.
Duck – Sounds like the mile was just an off day. Plenty of excellent running from you recently so you are allowed one race that doesn’t go to plan!
YD – Hardcore! You seem to be coping with the miles very well indeed.
Chubby – Go easy in the new shoes, it may take some time to adjust, especially if you are used to a big drop shoe. I like a low heel to toe drop but am not actually keen on zero. I think my training shoes are 10mm and racers 5 or 6mm. I find that’s the best position for me.
I tried running again yesterday but to no avail. I suppose several days off in a row is probably the next course of action. I’m just loathe to lose any hard earned fitness before I get any race times on the board!
Thanks YD - I got to Leeds in a snow flurry so soon spotted that the thaw hadn't quite happened and kept an eye on the parkruns. As they were cancelled, one by one! I was staying with a friend so let him have the final say on a trip to Harrogate, which came out as a no (his obsession is just not as great as mine) so instead we had a lovely 6 miler in the sunny snow up towards the Chevin. Glorious.
Sounds like anything multi terrain would have been difficult running, so I would read only good things into those Bushy times, Simon and Duck.
Most importantly, of course you belong, WJH - attitude is all! Besides, times come and go. I took my marathon time from 3:22 - 2:57(:59) last year, and was over the moon. Then I joined Kent, ran with PP and could see how much quicker those 10-20 minutes ahead of me go. For some reason that meant more when seeing them as clubmates rather than just as any of the sizeable group of people who beat me in races. Plus I could hear how much harder they train. The point is, I had a great marathon, but once that's settled down it's natural to look at the people ahead and think "how do I get there?". In fact, for me that's been the story of my running - the first few years were a case of "glad I'm not there" as I looked behind and gloried in the fact that I could finish a 10k or whatever. Now I only look at the people ahead.
Curly - just thought it was a safe way of going full distance. I will probably try it a couple more times in build up, I might use it to go over distance, 23 + 4 or something like that. I am sure I have read about others using the tactic quite successfully.CB - I found it to be quite a strange experience going from chunky trainers to lightweights and racers, though now I have made the transition, if I ever put an old pair of chunkies on they feel awful.Sorry to hear that Mr V, fingers crossed you get a reprieve in time for Sunday, a few days off will not make any difference to your fitness.The Chevin is a nice place to run TOM, you aren’t missing much with Harrogate parkrun IMO, it’s not my favourite.
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