Duck yes I'm in Edinburgh, I think the furthest north I travelled to a race last year was Glen Clova.
Just been to a running-workshop and the Edinburgh AC coach recommended training sessions at above intended race pace which baffled me a bit as I thought you trained at current fitness levels. Unless he meant if training for a half do sessions at 10k+5K pace, but that's not what he seemed to be saying. Any thoughts on such an approach?
Curly sounds like a good club session. The only time I got BMI into the 18 range was following a dose of winter vomiting, not the best training strategy!
No music links for me, maybe the Steptoe theme tune for Dash
Looking forward to hearing that you have smashed that chef and his fancy bike this weekend Phil
Vellooo – nice reps last night, especially the 3rd one I don’t have a problem with trying to run at target pace, but the session should be adjusted accordingly and paces should be introduced in shorter bursts at first. Example, you might think 5 x 1m @ 10k pace off 2 mins is doable. If it was 10k target pace I might be tempted to start with 7 x 1k at target pace and build up to 4 x 1m in time. Good session Curly
How were the MP reps Ratzer (not intervals before Alehouse gets me!)?Alehouse fingers crossed it’s just a minor blip on the comeback trail.
Bob – use parkruns to test different pacing strategies out, don’t fret of you balls it up on Sat, there’s always next week!Duck – nice easy pace for you this morning, more on the injury below…I have been to see the physio again, he gave my quads, hammies and hips a right pounding, it bloody hurt! He has recommended I take a week off running to give the hamstring damage time to heal while I work on the exercises he has given me (some new extra tough ones tonight). He is sure it’s not serious I just need to get my legs balanced out, but I reckon the Manchester Marathon is off for me now, at least as a race. Edinburgh the month after might be an option, depends how soon I get back to proper training really. Not too upset, there’s plenty good races to target once I am fit again!
Ah, MP reps, YD... Failed last night following a long, interesting walk. Did them this morning but on surprisingly tired legs. Managed 4 MP miles at the same pace as Tuesday but they felt more like 10kP-Threshold, until I discovered that the treadmill gradient was set slightly high and adjusted sometime in the third mile. Too late by then. Combination of initial tiredness and mounting fatigue did for me, plus the prospect of another long walk today (Russia is on holiday) and a desire to fit a few more easy miles in this evening.
Not good to hear about the latest results and your thoughts on them. I would say if you think the Manchester Marathon is off, take it off. Don't even consider your first marathon as a race, it's a fact-finding mission - so if it's off as a fact-finding mission, then it should be completely off.
Right, off to the Kremlin. Bit late really today, but I've got the whole weekend.
Duck – Thanks for the shoe recommendation though not sure I can get them in my size. I take at least a 13, usually a 14 so my choice is limited! I’ve decided I hate my new Asics. So much I can’t even run in them. Did 2 miles last night and had to return home and change shoes. My Brooks Launch felt like slippers in comparison. So that’s a massive waste of money and I still haven’t found a replacement for my Brooks Launch...
Bob – being naturally lean is a definite advantage for a runner. I’m 6ft 2 and 12 and a quarter stone (probably) at the moment. I’m usually under 12 when in full training so you have less to carry than me, even when I’m ‘lean.’
YD – Shame re the marathon but seems like you are taking it in the right way and as you say plenty of other races you can do.
YD sorry to hear about the diagnosis... but I'm going to disagree with Ratzer here. Personally, I would still run the race but as an easy long run then take a week or two off training. The reason being, if you train for a race and reach a peak and then skip the race and try to plough on it can be difficult on the body and on your mental state. I wouldnt look to E'burgh for the same reason, but find a nice 10k to do a month after and then train for an autumn mara if you want to do another this year.
Ratzer sounds like you are getting lots in even if its tough going with being out of your usual routine.
Duck I find the same when I do long shifts at work... but nevermind the fatigue will melt off soon and the paces will be back!
Just about to head out for an easy 6, then the same tomorrow, then 21 on Sun with:
5 miles easy, 14 miles steady (moving up the range), cd
Should be interesting, doesnt feel as challenging as last week, but probably is!
MP feeling like 10kp-Threshold is exactly how my last MP session felt before my recent breakdown. Take it easy Ratzer.“In any case I got a mile at ~4.30/m avg without it being exhausting which is pretty good.” Excellent way of looking at it Duck
Mr V – I have brooks Green Silence and they are prtetty roomy, have you tried to get a pair of them? They are going cheap on the Sportshoes website.21miles w/ 14 steady is a good workout Curly, what is steady, MP +30 seconds ish? You will feel it the next day I would have thought.WHJ – A 1:27 half should point to a faster than 3:30 Marathon I would have thought. Why don’t you go and canvass opinion on the 3:30 and 3:15 Marathon threads, get a broad range of opinions from those with experience and similar times under their belts?Thanks for the well wishes and thoughts guys, been thinking about options, and should I decide to bin the spring Marathon altogether then I might look into autumn Marathon options. Off the top of my head I can think of the folowing UK Marathons:Yorkshire Marathon (full, not sure if I can get a spot if someone drops out, Mr V do you know what the rules are?)Abingdon (full but can usually get a spot from what I hear)Newcastle Town MoorChesterWolverhampton – any others?
Depends how big an event you want YD...New Forest, Loch Ness, Isle of Wight, Bournemouth, Greensands, Northumberland Castles, Dublin, Portsmouth Coastal, Saxon shore and Cornish all in the autumn. No idea which are flat, suitable and on the right dates, but plenty on the starting list at least!
WJH man up and pick a faster target
YD – Cheers I did look but unfortunately nothing in my size. I don’t think transfers are allowed for the Yorkshire Marathon. Shame as I could do with some company (not that I’d be keeping pace!) You can’t beat Abingdon’s reputation if you think you can get a spot.
WJH – I’m no marathon expert so wouldn’t want to suggest a pace. 3.30 still seems a little on the conservative side with a 1.27 half to your name. However I suppose your mileage base is relatively small in terms of converting really well to the full marathon.
Just looked it up Mr V, number swaps are not permitted, oh well.Curly, I would prefer a road Marathon that gives me an opportunity for a decent time. Chester or Abingdon sound like the best options for that. Wolverhampton, Town Moor and Northumberland Castles might be races I can position high in and run reasonable times, so could be maybe options. I will look into some of the others you have suggested, thanks.
Duck – thanks for the offer, doesn’t sound like a race to run a fast time at! Bet the views are nice though…..
WHJ - yea as others have said man up
YD Sorry it looks like the marathon is off, but if you decide to do Edinburgh I can tell you all about the course or any other local info you need. Moray marathon in Sept is supposed to be a good one, I think it's fairly flat.
WHJ exciting times! sub 3.30 sounds more than possible!
Nice work BBB sub 22 is a brilliant milestone - one of the best things about parkrun is you get a chance to have another go next week
I was thinking about a little parkrun this morning before marshalling this afternoon at a race but decided sleep was more the order of the day after a manic shift yesterday evening. Feel much better for a lie in but need to get out for a run asap and stop dallying!
Bob.. I had to smile when I read your pace on setting off. I always find with 5k races that so many runners set off at 1500m pace and fade badly! This includes a couple of V60's at my local Parkrun who are old enough to know better! I was 26th at 1k today and finished 15th! As Curly says the great thing about Parkrun is you can simply turn up to the next one if you have a bad run, the weather is crap etc. Nice one on breaking 22 mins, once you have done a few 5k's you will find the right pace easier to settle into and the times will start to drop.
Not the best morning at York Racecourse Parkrun, damp, cold, and windy on the stand side! I battled through to 4k in 15:56 with the aforementioned wind threatening to put the dampers on my sub 20 attempt. My k pace gradually dropped to 4:29 into the wind (3:59 needed!) so a sustained mega effort with gurning to match PP brought me back to a fighting chance on the last corner. Crossed the line in 19:54 so a happy bunny.
Y D.. sorry to hear you are struggling. Marathon training does seem to dig out imbalances, old injuries etc. Best of luck with whatever you decide, I would recommend a Polish marathon, it is so cheap over there it would probably be more economical than doing an English one!
Alehouse.. shame your dodgy calf has swopped sides. Hope you make progress on all fronts.
Curly.. hope the long run goes well, and that your weather is better than up here for it!
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