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10/05/2010 at 21:20

Sorry about the marathon Zion - its always hard to DNS in one - but it sounds as if you couldnt give it your all anyway - a very fair decision I think...

(now I would normally be asleep at this time, but sadly my upstairs neighbours seem to have discovered singstar )

10/05/2010 at 21:27

Curly - can I make an educated guess that you don't have kids judging by you ability to sleep up to 16 hours at a time?

Giggles at Moraghan. How do you know it's 37 minutes minimum sleep post lunch? That's very exact!

Well run on Sunday BR

Sleep - about 7 hours for me. I have lost the ability to sleep in on the weekend days too so I am up and about at the same time every day. I have never been a night owl either (apart from when I lived in Italy for a year and survived on a level of sleep I can't begin to comprehend now!) 

I can't train well in the mornings though, I am better in the evening. Lunchtime is my ideal and I can usually mange that if I juggle enough of my life around. Lochaber marathon starting at 11am suited me.

Ratzer - I train to time, never to distance (I run quite a bit off road and I prefer to run by feel too so putting a set distance to my training wouldn't work for me - I do record my distances though for info) My coach sets my sessions to time too, even the faster stuff. So, if I want to work on endurance when marathon training my long runs will increase gradually by approx 15 minute increments up to a maximum. Agree that for slower runners the law of diminishing returns must apply. Asking a 12 minute miler to run 22 milesduring marathon training would be counter productive surely?

Today, 50 minutes easy for me, which was approx 6 miles I think.

Edited: 10/05/2010 at 21:29
10/05/2010 at 21:39

I limited my marathon lsrs to 3.5 hours...only went over it once for my 24 miler, but this time I am less worried about time on feet because it doesnt seem to make that much difference to me in terms of recovery as I am going so slowly...we will see in bulk mileage weeks though

No kids Sue  - I am CFBC I am also lucky that my work have very kindly allowed me to work 7:30-3:30 on most days so I have lots of time to run in the afternoons! I hope eventually to become freelance and to work about 30 hours a week to have more running time...a few years away yet though!

10/05/2010 at 21:43

Zion - shame about the marathon, but at least the training won't go to waste if you're planning other races.

I've never been a daytime sleeper, but have in the last year enjoyed the odd afternoon nap.

Ratzer - agree with Sue that running by time is better for beginner/slower runners.  However, I have to admit to always going for miles or km on the treadmill, but that's me!

11/05/2010 at 10:52

I'm another who runs for time rather than distance as the literature I read when I first started trying to improve running advocated building up to an hour a day. Have stuck to time since returning to running.

I definitely run better in the morning and hate evening races, always feel awful. Have tried various fuelling strategies but always get stitch.

11/05/2010 at 15:10

I enjoy running in the morning and think it's the best time for me, although that's when I've been able to wake up naturally rather than forced awake by the alarm!  Oh and running at 6am is not fun when it's dark and cold, so it's definitely something I only do when marathon training.  Late afternoon and evening runs never feel quite the same, most probably due to work in the day and maybe a bit of dehydration.  As much as I try to drink at work, I still always fall short of what I should be drinking.  If I were in one classroom or office it would be easier, but because I move around it's not.

Eating for evening races can be a difficult, Zion.  My experience is it's best to have a main meal at lunch time and then light meal about 3 hours before the race. 

11/05/2010 at 15:25

I find I run better in the mornings, but I prefer to train in the afternoon - then on race day I get that extra morning boost as well

Having a right Rarrr day today  - cant wait to get out there tbh but wont be done anytime soon...

12/05/2010 at 09:03

So two easy days down this week - not enjoying it all so far - very stiff which is likely from the cumulative speedwork over the last 5 weeks.

Going to attempt a little tempo at MP pace tonight, but I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to help ease out the stiffness (calves especially), its not hurting at all I just feel like I weigh about 2 stone more than usual while running and not my bouncy light self...

12/05/2010 at 10:12

Curly45 I find hot baths work for me. I know a lot of people swear by ice baths but having done both I will now always go for a soak in a hot bath followed by stretching. Really believe this has helped me to remain injury free while building up my miles quite quickly. I hate that heavy legged feeling.

Hilly a morning run to me is about 10 o'clock Total admiration for people running during the dark winter mornings.

Off to do a test run later to see if its worth doing a half marathon at the weekend. Thing is with tapering and being ill I've sort of lost momentum and mojo. If only the weather would warm up it might make running seem more appealing.

12/05/2010 at 10:18
I do like my baths Zion but havent had one yet this week - mmmm soak in the tub sounds just the order of the day I think!!
12/05/2010 at 10:28

It's strange really that like most I'm saying I wish the weather would warm up, yet i don't run weill in hot and humid conditions, so really I should be enjoying the the cooler weather as it's better for running.  But it's been such a cold drab winter that I'm fed up with the chill now!

I had a good track session last night and pleased as my legs were feeling tired after work and at times the negative thoughts were trying to talk me out of doing it.  Once I got going though something kicked in to make me finish the session.  Sometimes it's mind over matter I guess.

12/05/2010 at 11:17
I had another disappointing run this morning. I was averaging 8:50/mile pace. With 2 miles to go I decided to do a mile at 10k effort to see where I'm standing before next week's race. Bearing in mind I haven't done any fast stuff in 2 months, and I had already done 6.5 miles before I sped up, I did a 6:41 mile, which isn't so bad I guess.
12/05/2010 at 11:23

I enjoyed my run last night too even though I felt cold (I still wouldn't have worn more than my shorts/t-shirt). I do run better in cooler weather. If it stays like this for the weekend I'll probably be happy as I have a half at the weekend. Next weekend would be good too for the marathon, although anything less than the 25 degrees or whatever it was for last year's Edinburgh marathon will be a bonus!

I've got a short HMP practice session this afternoon (3x1m) and a sports massage tomorrow. Have you ever had one Curly? I find they help to just smooth everything out every now and then. I do agree a nice warm bath works better for me too.

12/05/2010 at 11:29

Theres no pleasing some people - too hot, too cold, too dark ..............

Theres nothing like a good track session when you're not really feeling up for it to get you right back on track (excuse the pun) is there Hilly?

Are you doing the other two John Carr 5Ks? If so, it will be interesting to see how your times compare from the first to the third.....

12/05/2010 at 11:38

No not had one Kaysdee - its tres expensive around here although just going to look on the council website to see if they do anything...

Sounds like a good session to me Duck - what was disappointing about it?

I like track days like that Hilly really makes you feel there's progress going on

12/05/2010 at 11:39
PRF - no point in doing the same course 3 times in 16 days. It would not tell us anything new. 1st race was YVAA and club champs so good to do. It would be better to spread them out monthly like Spencers Dash
12/05/2010 at 11:42
It was more the pace before I got faster that was the problem. I've had a few slow runs the past couple of days. Although I suppose aerobic paces are much slower than race paces.
12/05/2010 at 11:53

BR - Fair point, they are a bit close together. Might as well use parkruns for 5K workouts. That first one was useful for pot hunting purposes though!!!

Are you two planning on doing any Spencer Arms this year then? It is on your doorstep after all........

Kaysdee - I'd never had a sports massage until after the recent Blackpool Marathon, it was a revelation. Would highly recommend now!

TD - Why was it a disappointing run? What did you set out to achieve?

12/05/2010 at 11:57

Duck, I've found I tend to have a cycle of running well, then feeling a bit rubbish and then see another set of improvements. You say you've been base training around 2 months? Maybe your body is just setting up for another round of physiological changes?

PRF, totally. Runners are a picky lot. I think I've only had "the perfect day" for weather once - a particularly feel good race where I knocked 7 mins off my half time. Otherwise, it doesn't ever suit me .

Curly, have you tried local colleges? A lot of them tend to have sports clinics. It's not totally the same as they're mostly students, but when I've used it in the past it's £5 a session here. I pay £30 an hour for my "real" one.

12/05/2010 at 11:59

It was just a geneal aerobic run - I'm in base training at the moment. But I've got a 10k race next week so I decided to see where I was at.

I was just slow before I picked it up. I'm normally doing 8:30/mile roughly but was doing 8:50/mile today, the same as on Sunday. I don't seem to be making much - if any - progress aerobically. 

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