Tuesday January 12th

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12/01/2010 at 07:03

Morning everyone,
Nicely done with the IM , DM
Good run too DD!
What - supposed to be club night, but given that it may be icy, I might opt for speedwork at lunchtime, at least the pavements in London are clear.
Why - Tuesday

Have a great day

12/01/2010 at 07:24

morning all.

Well done DM for your first IM in such torrid conditions.

It's quite surreal that in London you'd hardly know there had been snow but here in Kent, only just outside the M25 it's still lying thick on the ground.  It is starting to thaw but unless it warms up considerably we're going to have this for another couple of days.

What: 5.3 miles easy
Why: it's what I do
Last hard: sunday? Saturday?
Last rest: thursday

Normal service is just about resumed.  Av HR for that run was 135 which is in the region of where it should be for the pace.  

Stickless, thanks for the info email.  

No idea on the lyrics - so normal service is resumed there too then. 

Enjoy your day all. 

12/01/2010 at 07:25


If anyone didn't get them yesterdays lyrics were - All You Need is Love, The Beatles.

DM - I had a similar experience really, dream swim (1.20); great bike (6.25); PW on the run (5.08) to bring it home in 12.53. A PB but not quite what I'd hoped for after my training. A beautiful place, fantastically well organised race and lovely people though I thought. Would love to go back and try again in the ususal temperatures they have for the race.

What:          am run intervals/pm turbo.
Why:            building back.
Last hard:  last year.
Last rest:   last year.

Lyrics - I think I do.

Dubai Dave    pirate
12/01/2010 at 07:47

Morning All

DM / LMH : No danger of me joinging you both in your IM exploits, I simply do not have the time to train for one even though I would like too. Have hardly cycled for months as MrsDD gets upset if I train early in the morning of both weekend days and there is no other time when I can fit in a long run and a long cycle when the roads are at least a little quieter than the normal Dubai madness.

Sandrunner: Was talking to the Dubai marathon RD last night they have 1800 entries, so would guess 1400 will run.

PM2: thanks for the vote of confidence, I beleive that I can amaze myself if I can get to the start line well.

TT / Alehouse and others, hear you loud and clear re tapering. But this raises a further question for which I would be grateful to hear others opinions.

As a 60+ mile a week runner when marathon training  my planed mileage for the last 4 weeks is/ was as follows 65 / 50 / 32 / 20 (for the 6 days prior to the race). So far I have stuck to this plan (were in the 32 mile week now) but what I have been trying to do is keep the intensity high, hence last nights gallop around the park.

Now the question is what would others consider as keeping the intensity high? 1 tempo run & 1 interval session per week during the taper, perhaps reducing the distance of the tempo run and the number of intervals each week (my approach) or reduce the pace or reduce the pace and the distance / number?

What: Nowt
Why: taper
Last Hard: Last night
Last Rest: Today, off to see DR this afternoon, still not 100% but better than I was.

Lyrics: No but should have got yesterdays

12/01/2010 at 08:18
Morning all

What: Turbo and swim d&d
Easy RUN (a lunchtime run is rare these days)
?? PM
Gym - small muscles PM
Why: Rach need to be on the early train so adjusted my schedule
Last hard: This morning
Last rest: 23rd November 2009
Last non run day: Friday 8th January
Lyrics: Another one I know :¬)

DD - intensity(pace) should be maintained and frequencey(duration) of session reduced.
12/01/2010 at 08:40
Morning all,

Thanks all of you for your encouragement. I'm still grinning and enjoying the rush of genuine optimism, instead of the more common grit teeth and keep going spirit.

DM - terrific report. Things I will only ever dream of doing. Sympathies with the cramping!

DD, I think I must have missed a post. Is the issue taper strategy, or modification of taper strategy due to earlier viral illness. What little I know of viral illnesses is that like scorpions, the sting is in the tail. If the latter, then trying to evolve the correct strategy for balancing intensity/duration of sessions with rest is a challenge I am all too familiar with. If I have learned anything, it is to watch for tell-tale signs of illness (disturbed sleep, headache, muscle ache) and take them very seriously(i.e. can the plans and rest), and match any session of any intensity or duration with a deliberate extra rest session. (For me, Sunday's terrific run was followed by an afternoon spent knitting by the fire.) This may not be the issue of course, and I may be barking entirely up wrong tree.

Gobi, I've sort of lost track. What are your running goals for the year?

TmR - fingers crossed that your race isn't cancelled. Sounds like your style of race.

Rest day for me, aka upper body work (gouging rough arching of double bass) at the violin workshop.

Run well all.

12/01/2010 at 09:00

morning all

lyrics yes,2 days in a row, amazing for me too!!

DD good luck with dr and well pb'd last night

tmr, I know what you mean by compacted crunchy, that was what I ran on last night and it was slow but do able

NZC hope stomach is better

DM sounds to me like you did really well doing that IM, well done sir!!

stickless thanks for email, I do have a race sat and sunday that weekend unfortunately but will def sponsor you anyway!

what: well as I managaed 4 slow miles last night I will swim about a kilometre tonight

why: see above!!

last hard: last night whacking elbow on a wheelie bin whilst keeping eyes set on snowy floor

last easy: watching telly most of the evening having done a run!!

Am enjoying not studying I must say, but tonight I will be doing a spanish class with my daughter

12/01/2010 at 10:00

Morning folks.

It is a bit of a pickle Moraghan. Sounds like Stickless' idea is worth a try, and maybe other than that a food diary for a bit and try to identify a trend?

DD - with the obvious caveat that your taper should be greater if you're ill and that this was my taper off the back of an average of 120mpw for the previous 7 weeks (2nd or non-effort session on any day was optional), what I done in the 2 weeks into Edinburgh was (anything above recovery in bold):
2 weeks out:
Mon - rest (travelling).
Tues: am 45min rec jog w 10 x 100m/100m windsprints (aim is to top up glycolytic) / 1hr rec jog pm.
Wed: am 45min rec jog / pm: 10k track tempo (was supposed to be tempo, but I ran it about PMP as was feeling tired - aim is to top up LT).
Thurs: am 45min rec jog / pm: 1hr rec jog.
Fri: am: 30min rec jog.
Sat: am: 1hr easy (aerobic top up) / pm 45mins rec jog.
Sun: 2hrs easy (aerobic top up).

Race week:
Mon: am: 45mins rec jog / pm: 20 x ~45m windsprints / ~55m jog (aim is to top up glycolytic).
Tues: 1hr rec jog / 45mins rec jog.
Wed: 30mins rec jog / 2km track TT (aim is to top up VO2max).
Thurs: 45mins rec jog.
Fri: 30mins rec jog.
Sat: 30mins rec jog.
Sun: race.

Personally, to maximise my chances on race day, if I were under the weather, I'd restrict myself to jogging - better to get there a little unsharpened, than not at all.

What: lie-in am / core pm / swimming lessons pm (assuming it doesn't snow again - which it looks like it may )
Why: recovery day.
Last hard: yesterday.
Last rest: Thursday 7th.
Lyrics: Yes.

Have a great day all.

12/01/2010 at 12:19
Good morning all:

What: 7 miles easy
Why: recovery
Last Hard: Yesterday
Last Rest: Friday last

Stickless - got your email, thanks.

Hmmm.....that's about it for today.

Have Fun
12/01/2010 at 13:51

nice report DM, nice going

glad normal service has resumed mava

Looks like the speeds still there DD, I'm sure you've got the experience to know to rest enough to clear the virus

what: 7-9 miles later
why: maintaining the base
last hard: supposed to be yesterday, but in reality, Friday
last rest: Thursday
lyrics: 2 in a row for me too, don't know the artist though

happy runnings all!

Edited: 12/01/2010 at 13:53
Dubai Dave    pirate
12/01/2010 at 14:11

Thanks for the advice guys. Stickless I think  you are probably spot on. Have never tapered with the effects of a virus in my body so I'll listen to one and all and ease right off, particuarly as after last night I know i'm very close to my best.

Have just got back from Dr's, his diagnosis?? Hmm well he concluded that there is nothing wrong with, heart, blood pressure or chest. Apparently I was the third or fourth patient today suffering from a feeling of light headiness, dizzyness following a viral infection, Him... hmm perhaps there is a pattern here! Well conclusion was that I probably have viral infection of the inner ear... maybe. Anyway took loads of blood to no doubt open another can of worms cos being a celiac my blood counts are always all over the place especially when I haven't been over strict with myself over xmas. May go sick tomorrow and try sleeping all day!

12/01/2010 at 15:43

Wabo: well done on the weight loss.

Tom: nice 12 miler yesterday.  Well impressive speed.

DD: great club run yesterday! Glad to hear there's nothing seriously wrong. You still have lots of time to shake that virus. Sleep is always the best course of action.

NZC: hope stomach feels better today.

Moraghan: bummer about the stitch. I hope that Stickless' tip will work.

Stickless - thanks for the e-mail!

DM - great IMWA report! I gathered from LMH's report that conditions were hell. Well done for toughing it out!

What: 9 miles with 10x100m strides d&d this morning. Planned a quick dash to gym the pm but canned it. Too much work.
Why: it's wot the plan says
Last hard: Sunday
Last rest: 4/1
Lyrics: positive again

12/01/2010 at 16:17
Stickless - you haven't lost track as I have listed no running goals this year :¬)
12/01/2010 at 17:43
Gobi -Ah, well I presume with the scary lot of work you are doing in the way of training that you have something up your sleeve which might become apparent in time. Have fun with it.

12/01/2010 at 17:44

Hi Folks,

Few rest / recoveries going on today - enjoy !

D.D. - Hope you feel better - good 4.5K PB though last night. Ta for the Dubai info. If 1800 are entered and 1400 will run, what do you think the other 400 will do? In my first marathon there were only 30 people, ran on my own most of the way, so I'm looking forward to running with more people. My taper is down to about 25 miles per week from a max of 40 mpw. off 3-4 runs.

Gobi - Thanks good advice noted re. intensity and  frequency during taper

Tom, Jason and Chickadee nice base mileage runs.

What: Jog / walk to from gym / weights core when there @ 1HR

Why: Cross training

Last Hard: Jan 3

Last rest: Sunday 

Lyrics hhmmmm

12/01/2010 at 17:50

Dubai Dave - just keep ticking over - jogging and a few strides wont hurt you but I wouldn't do anymore hard out efforts - you know it's there, relax and save it till race day.

What 3 miles am 5k O'Hagans pm - very hot and windy - not much go - 22.54

Will have to look back at Desert Man's report.

Good running everyone.

Edited: 12/01/2010 at 18:06
12/01/2010 at 18:04

DD - hope it clears up in time for your race.

NZC - getting plenty of racing in, good to see. 

What:  a.m. 3m easy p.m. 10m with drills / strides and 2 * (4 * 300m) @ 1500m pace with equal standing recovery.

Why:  Staying in touch with 1500m pace.  Funny how after early season 1500m pace sessions I always come away thinking I'm never going to be able to hold that pace for a whole race.

12/01/2010 at 18:04

Oooh Desert Man - that sounded tough! Congratulations on finishing.

Moraghan - think I'd try to find a sports doctor now while the spot is painful so you can point it out to him/her. There must be something that can be done. Maybe TMR might have some thoughts on it.

12/01/2010 at 18:20
NZChristine wrote (see)

Moraghan - think I'd try to find a sports doctor now while the spot is painful so you can point it out to him/her. There must be something that can be done. Maybe TMR might have some thoughts on it.

Good idea, I just wouldn't have a clue who would be appropriate to talk to.  My experience of sports physios isn't thst positive.
12/01/2010 at 18:53

What 5.2 easy
Why slush
Lyrics no

looking forward to the end of the snow

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