Weekly mileage

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03/11/2002 at 19:03
I think that doing 100+ miles per week is too much for elite athletes who want to do well in marathons. Why be tired before you are on the start line!

Has anyone got any thoughts on this topic?

Allan
03/11/2002 at 19:19
One thing we have to take into consideration about elite athletes and their heavy mileage is they can often train twice a day and REST in between each run.

I would like to be able to try (not possible)a schedule for an elite athlete just to see how it would work for an average runner. To do so I would not want any other responsibilities to worry about for the training period and to have professional therapists on hand for regular physio etc.

Would it make me an elite runner? IN MY DREAMS!
03/11/2002 at 19:30
If they didin't do such mileages combined with speed sessions etc they wouldn't be competitive. Simple as that really.

Do you honestly think they'd do it if they didn't need to.

The only reason I go out in all weathers to train is to be competitive in races. That's the problem with running there is no easy options.

I'd also like to try the elite life but I'm 20 years too old and nowhere near talented enough
03/11/2002 at 19:34
I guess it depends on the individual, but Paula Radcliffe seems to do all right in marathons on over 100 miles a week!

03/11/2002 at 19:37
Their bodies have adapted to do 100+ miles a week , and therfore don't find it tireing to do so. As Hilly says they have no other outside influences as we normal folk do.

They get up train, see the therapist, go back to bed for a couple of hours, train again, relax & then go back to bed. Apparently they sleep for about 13 hours a day. Giving their bodies ample time to recover.

Having said that, one of the guys at our club works shifts and still fits his 100 mile a week in. He's not elite, but although over 40 can still finish in the top 50 at the FLM.
03/11/2002 at 19:38
Look at swimming from 12 years old they swim every evening bar one and two mornings from 5.30-7.30. Try that for size
03/11/2002 at 20:35
I would not consider doing a marathon off of less than 100 miles per week. I want the best out of myself & this works for me. I've followed Cliff Temples elite marathon traing plan. That goes up to 140 mpw I did that whilst going to work. It followed after running 2hrs:01min for 20 miles & the hardest part about it wasn't the running but eating enough food was really really difficult!!!
I ran 2:49 in the tough Madrid Marathon.
Yes I am Mad.
03/11/2002 at 22:22
In the weeks leading up to the FLM I increase my mileage to 70-80m/week.This years FLM I ran in 2:47 & next year I am aiming for under 2:45. I feel sure if I could fit in 100+ miles/week my times would be much better.But now age 41 & 2 young children there is a limit.
04/11/2002 at 11:24
Big Tam and Pete, 2 diferent mileages, both with incredible times. If Big Pete reduced his mileage by 20 miles, and Pete increased his mileage by 20 miles. Would the outcome for both of you = better times. Why not try this? I am training for the Pafos (Cyprus) Marathon which is in March 03. I'm doing about 60-70 miles per week. I will adjust the mileage accordingly after my first one. I want to be fresh at the start line.

Allan
04/11/2002 at 16:48
All very interesting stuff and food for thought!
04/11/2002 at 18:02
Wolfy its Allan. I cannot understand the athletes who go beyond 100+ miles per week. This is an old method, and still people run these incredible miles.

Train smarter not harder.

I coach a cross country team and marathon team, the marathon team trains at 90 miles tops. 3 weeks before the marathon race, my athletes are down to around 35 - 40 miles a week.I will produce a winner in the Pafos (Cyprus Marathon in March.

My methods involve the "Train Smarter not Harder" approach.

Allan
04/11/2002 at 22:17
I have just done my first marathon and in the final couple of weeksI was up to 48 mpw, then tapered for 2 weeks but found the run a lot harder than i anticipated.
For my next marathon in March I am hoping to up my mileage to a peak of around 65mpw, I find the train smarter a good thought to follow. How would you advise on training twice a day a couple of times a week? Running am and pm or not? Or just better quality sessions.
04/11/2002 at 23:09
EEK
this does not fit in with an 80 hour plus week at work, and one nights missed sleep
100 miles
Cant even think about it
Ive done one awful marathon, probably why
Good luck to you all
05/11/2002 at 06:14
Sarcy,

Training twice per day once a week, lets say you have a good 8 week of base training for a marathon.
Atypical training plan could look something like this for 2 days of 2 sessions a week:

Tuesday AM- 11-13 miles at a hr of 72-75% maximum heart rate.
PM- 8 miles on the road at 75-77% Max hr. After 4 miles do 2-3 1 mile eforts (5 to 6 mins) at 85% max, 2 mins easy after i mile efforts.

Thursday AM- 7 miles steady no steep hills.
PM- Medium gradient hill or 10% incline on treadmilll. Run with good technique for 2 mins to a heart rate to no more than 85% max. walk recovery at the top. Run down fast and efficient on the way down. Try running down dropping your head a little, or moving your upperbody towards the ground. Experiment. Running down hills is an art, it can save minutes in a race with NO effort. Do this 3 times and increase to a maximum of 8 after 6-8 weeks.

Safe running
Allan
05/11/2002 at 06:40
i really want to get myself a good marathon time in the next few years...i was wondering how much you guys reckon i could knock off my time long term by increasing my mileage... a few weeks ago i did 3.30 on about 30 mpw in the few months before the marathon (injured) and 40 mpw before that. i found the marathon easy and my second half was 10mins faster than the first ...
the reason i'm asking is my dad (an ex 2.30/100 miles a week man) keeps on at me that if i trained "properly" i could do really well...
what should i do?
i've got a good for age place in london next year, so i daresay my training schedule starts now...
alice
05/11/2002 at 07:09
Alice,
There is always a great potential there do do 3 hours or below if you want too. Run because you want too, not by peer pressure. Your dad is right by saying "you must train right". Training must be specific, fun, rewarding,challenging,adaptable.

Running is the best, you must look after your body and work hard and rest well. You could do a 3 hour marathon with 75mpw.

My coaching method is "Train Smarter Not HARDER"

If you want advice ask me or any other marathon runner for advice. I am a coach and an exercise/remedial therapist.

Have a nice run today
Allan
05/11/2002 at 09:23
Fluffa,

I say go for it. If your dad is still fit tell him he you'll do it if he does.
05/11/2002 at 09:40
Allan, I must admit to agreeing with you on this. Maybe the elite athletes run 120+ a week purely because they can(ie. full time job) and perhaps it does give them the edge at that level. When you are talking about producing a winner @ Phapos are you suggesting that you will have a winner who is Paula Ratcliffe standard?
05/11/2002 at 10:27
Allan,
any cahnce you could put up a 12 week schedual for us to look at?
05/11/2002 at 11:04
The UK's current crop of 'elite' male marathon runners are not, in general, as fast as those from the 70s and 80s.

The UK's current crop of 'elite' male marathon runners do not, in general, run as many miles as those from the 70s and 80s.

I wonder if these facts are in any way related?
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