Alistiar Brownlee wins again

If only he would give up on poncy cycling and swimming.......

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08/08/2012 at 20:01
Sorry loved the race though shame 15 sec penalty for Jonny could of made finish for silver more interesting.
Dustboy    pirate
08/08/2012 at 21:31

Agree with a lumpy bike to spoil drafters but swim second could cause all sorts of cramp issues then?

09/08/2012 at 14:45
The order is fine Swim bike run that's what a Triathlon is? Like I said I think a look at the distances. For the elite 40k bike is nothing and with out a massive hill or two their is no chance of a break away so I say increase miles on bike or make middle distance Tri the new Olympic Tri?
09/08/2012 at 16:06
Hobbling Harrier wrote (see)

The 10k isn't accurate- official triathlon guidelines allow a variation of up to 10% in the race distances so a "10k" could be anywhere from 9k to 11k.

Claims from yesterday that he ran 2915 sesem unlikely as his best ever officially measured 10k in a top quality race is about 29:30. Similarly I think Will Clarke was timed at 27:45 for 10k at the London Triathlon- his best is about 30 minutes in a properly measured race. 27:45 would have him as fast as Farah!

 Brownlee is regardless a very good runner - especially for his age- in his year group he's probably number one- though there are a couple that could beat him if they get uninjured for long enough (Pepper (used to be here!) and Deighton spring to mind) but he's not in the same class yet as Vernon from the year above. 

 Smart too- got into Cambridge for Medicine but left in his first term to train harder whilst at Leeds.

Steve Cram mentioned this but said that the Olympic one had an officially measured 10k.

09/08/2012 at 16:23
Also Mo didn't swim and bike before his either?
cougie    pirate
09/08/2012 at 16:38

Yes wasnt it Hugh Jones the VLM course measurer who'd certified the run as being 10k ?

They do have hillier bike legs - but if you're racing round Hyde Park - you'll struggle to find a hill. Unless theres a multi story car park to race round. THAT would be interesting.

cougie    pirate
09/08/2012 at 18:15

If thats the case - why havent they  ?  I think you're underestimating the talents of the Brownlees and co.

09/08/2012 at 18:51
+1 cougie, I wonder if Mo thinking next time round doing Triathlon? Doubt it. Alistair is not just a great runner, Triathlon is not just about the run you need to be good at the swim and bike before you get to run. If it was just the run then Tim Don is a fantastic runner but doesn't win every race?
09/08/2012 at 18:52
Anyway who cares WELL DONE ALISTAIR!!!!
meface    pirate
09/08/2012 at 22:19

Firstly I love triathlon and love the Brownlees and Yorkshire and Jess Ennis depite the fact she has bigger guns than me - I think I edge it for looking good in a dress though.

However I do feel that with drafting allowed it does always result in a 10km sprint at the end. The speed they came out of T2 was mental. However the number of competitors of equal-ish performance means they have to allow drafting on the bike or go for a TT style start.

Yes that means it becomes a 10km foot race. So maybe that is modern triathlon. Heck look at modern rugby compared to that of the eighties. The players of the 80s would get ripped to bits.

Not sure they want to lengthen the bike as the current event time is

Doozer.    pirate
10/08/2012 at 09:05
Dreamtwister wrote (see)

. Alot of sub 30min 10k runners could take the sport up and very quickly be in the worlds top 10. This shouldn't be the case.

I think you are underestimating how good they are at swimming and cycling.  It would take a non swimmer about 10 years to get to the same level as them.  Look at Adam Bowden, former steeplechase athlete and sub 30 min 10k runner, he took up tri in the last few years and even with a county swim background is miles off of the pace.  Chris McCormack, world IM champ and former world Oly champ, got dropped by 2 mins over the 1500 metre swim when he went back to olympic racing.

These top athletes are phenomenal talents and very stong at all 3 hence they are at the top. 

Cortina5    pirate
10/08/2012 at 10:24

I think what Tuesday showed me was how far ahead of the field the Brownlees (and Gomez) were. On the bike they came past fast, the pack were pedestrian by comparison. On the run they were absolutely steaming.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
10/08/2012 at 10:49
Dreamtwister wrote (see)

KK - Anybody that has cycled in a group will know how much energy you can save by drafting. No matter how strong a rider is, he won't leave 3/4 slightly weaker riders working together. 

To add to what others have said, even if energy is being saved in a pack, if it's moving fast there'll be some working hard to stay in it while better riders are finding it easier.  Elite triathlon isn't simply about who is the best runner, it's about minimising the energy used swimming & cycling so that you can run 10k as close to your 'fresh' 10k pace as possible, but at the same time working sufficiently hard to be in the front group and keep it quick enough that your rivals are not going to be able to run as quickly as you.  There's a lot more to the bike leg than simply pootling around in a big group, although I would agree that it doesn't make for great viewing.

There may well be some in the field who could beat the Brownlees in a straight 10k race, but they're not able to run to that potential in a triathlon because they're working harder on the other legs.  There's a young American guy at one of the world cup races who had the second fastest run on the day, but he hadn't been able to keep up with the lead group on the bike and ended up down the field, although he made up a lot of places on the run.

Doozer.    pirate
10/08/2012 at 13:44

The Brownlees only know how to race one way and that is hard from the front in the swim, bike and on the run.  I almost every race they will be dominating on the bike leg and even with a 'domestique' they still worked hard sharing the load. 

I read regular tweets from stong road cyclists who train with them and the Brownlees regularly rip the roadies legs off.  They are phenomenal at all three diciplines, that is why they are the best in the world, not because of just one. 

10/08/2012 at 13:50
Dreamtwister wrote (see)

Love the Brownlees. Great Yorkshire lads. Hate this sport. It's an absolute farce, and until someone gets a grip of it, it always will be. The Brownlees are great runners. Jonny ran excellent this year at the inter-counties x country and they both have an excellent pedigree going back to their youth. National x-country etc.

The first 2 elements are all but pointless. Phelps wouldn't be able to stay away from a group after a swim, and Wiggins would struggle to leave a group on the bike. It's laughable.

Make the bike leg extremely hilly to eliminate drafting, and as already been said, put it first, then the swim and run. The sport will change drastically tho. No more fat boys!

Ever put on a wetsuit when you've been sweaty DT?

Cheerful Dave    pirate
10/08/2012 at 14:11
Dreamtwister wrote (see)

The top 3 would have still been the top 3 if there had been no swim or bike. I have no doubt about that.

That's probably true in the Olympic Games, but that's because the other sub-30 10k runners (like Adam Bowden) aren't good enough triathletes to make the Olympic team.  It's certainly not always the case at all world cup events.

I'd be interested in seeing how a swim-run-bike race went though.  Would the gaps at the end of the run be big enough to keep everyone dispersed during the bike, or would the fact that the quickest runners would be conserving something for the bike mean that bunch sprint at the end of the race is inevitable? 


10/08/2012 at 23:30

Enjoyed watching it and phenomenal performances from the Brownlees but got to agree with those who say the run is far too important compared to the swim and the bike.    

Stick the bike last - it makes sense - at the moment there's just no incentive to be a better cyclist than is good enough to sit in the bunch - yes you'd have to be good to do that but not world class.   Isn't it that case that they talent spot the young triathletes on their swim and run potential rather than cycling - that does suggest it needs shaking up to make the bike of equal importance - plus it'd make it a sight more exciting for spectators.    You'd probably get some riders coming together in small groups but not a bunch sprint - and it'd make for more interesting tactics on the bike leg.

cougie    pirate
11/08/2012 at 01:03
Who says you have to have all three disciplines equal ? It is what it is. If you put the bike at the end you'd have people saying it was too much about the bike. Sprinters would win too much ?
Ultimately the last leg is where the medals go - so that's what you need to be strongest at.
11/08/2012 at 01:09

I'm saying they should be equal - or at least close to equal - otherwise why bother having the bike at all ?   Agree that the last leg is where the medals are decided at the moment - but it's only really the last leg historically - if they'd developed triathlon as an Olympic distance drafting event would they have stuck the run last ?   

I just think if you stick the bike last you give people with different strengths more of a chance - it adds interest and it adds spectator value - so the question would be why wouldn't you change it except for tradition ?

cougie    pirate
11/08/2012 at 01:44
Cos it would be mayhem watching triathletes trying to bunch sprint like cav ?

Actually you may have something there !!!
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