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03/03/2009 at 20:56

well done Will.

Kathrin set pace work for us at swim training tonight:

800m warmup (200m crawl/50m kick on left side/100m crawl/50m kick on right side) x 2.

4 x 100m on 2min 30 secs. (I did 2:26, 2:27, 2:29, 2:32)

400m fast

4 x 100m on 2 mins 15 secs (mine were 2:16, 2:17, 2: 14, 2:14)

400m with pull bouy

4 x 100m on 2 mins 5 secs (too fast for me, especially as | was sick all last week,  nearest was 2:11)

800m easy cooldown, any strokes.

quite pleased with my pacing ability.

sweetfeet...    pirate
03/03/2009 at 21:52
UIW you do some good length sessions. Forgive my ignorance but what is the kick on right/left drill? Are you holding a rotated position?
04/03/2009 at 06:19

Yes, SF, stretched out on one side and just kicking sideways. Similar to the TI "skating"  if you know what that is.

This is a structured program from our tri club swim coaches. We are on a 6-week build and will then swim a couple of cut-back sessions before starting to build again. We have 3 dedicated lanes on Tuesday so that's always our main session of the week.  We are very fortunate to have an experienced swim coach and a couple of very experienced very good swimmers available to advise us.

WildWill    pirate
04/03/2009 at 16:22
Long pool session for me 2nite ... i hope
04/03/2009 at 19:51

Hi, newbie(ish) here...

 My arm work seems to be ok but my legwork is completely knackered... I don't stroke with my legs but more like push with my legs like if I was doggie paddling. 

Would introducing some work with a kickboard and concentrating on my legs help? I've read that kickboards should only be introduced once your form is good, which sounds weird.


Aitch!    pirate
04/03/2009 at 20:41
I honestly feel like my technique is crap!

I can do 1900m in 1hr 15mins which I really need to get down....

I can swim FC but really need to improve technique. What do you think the best way to do this would be? Tri Club technique sessions or a couple of one to one private lessons???
M...eldy    pirate
04/03/2009 at 20:43
one 2 one ...
Aitch!    pirate
04/03/2009 at 20:44
Melds - I was just composing an email to you!!
M...eldy    pirate
04/03/2009 at 20:45
Aitch!    pirate
04/03/2009 at 20:48
WildWill    pirate
05/03/2009 at 06:57
morning all

got a longish session done last night : -

100m easy
4 x 25m
4 x 50m
1 x 100m
4 x 25m catch up
4 x 25m 1-arm
4 x 25m finger tip drag
2 x 25m legs only
2 x 25m arms only
8 x 25m power
100m easy
1600m steady

the 1600m took me 35mins so way off my pace

05/03/2009 at 11:33
but Will, you were doing drills for most of it, that's always slower than just swimming if you're doing them properly.
WildWill    pirate
06/03/2009 at 07:02
yep - it was the 1600 steady after the drills that i timed ... the drills took close to an hour co i was coaching
IronNina    pirate
08/03/2009 at 21:39
Ok, another numpty question, if anyone could help I would be grateful ....from what I can glean from You Tube videos and other sources, am I right that the correct technique for rotation is to rotate completely i.e upper and lower body to an angle of at least 45 degrees with each stroke.
The reason I ask is my eldest son's gym teacher apparently teaches to rotate the upper body only, at the hip, keeping the legs still and parallel with the surface of the water.

These little details make all the difference... well at least they keep me occupied!

08/03/2009 at 23:08

No teacher is wrong. Think of your body having an axis straight down the middle and rotate around it. Head can stay looking straight forward and down water at hair line. Obviously then rurn it along axis to breath which should just follow your rotating body.

Rotation should be driven from the hips with the kick.

09/03/2009 at 18:08

Anyone got any advice for sinus problems after swimming?  I've never had a problem before but now find I'm really stuffed up the day after a swim.  I've read on the internet about using nose clips but I breath out through my nose so I need it unclamped!


09/03/2009 at 21:32

Hi All,

Just wanted to say thanks to all of you who suggested "superman swimming" /gliding and front quadrant freestyle etc.. a couple of weeks ago. I had a eureka moment last weekend when I looked those up on youtube and finally got what you meant! Anyway, I put it into practice last week and it was fantastic! I even managed 4 consecutive lengths of front crawl - could barely do one before. I really appreciate all the advice and experience being shared on here.

This even resulted in someone coming up to me in the pool last week to me questions about front crawl! I explained that I was learning, and could barely do it, and she said "Well you seem to do it well". Amazing!! (I've had compliments on my goggles before but never my swimming......)

Unfortunately after that amazing swimming breakthrough last week I'm now nursing runners knee injuries once more. But have just ordered a pull buoy so I can still go swimming - hopefully this will be OK for my knees, and I can practice more on my crawl.

*NB with the front quadrant swimming, my lead arm still drops when I turn to breathe - any tips?*  


09/03/2009 at 22:17

PQ - good work. I always find going back to concentrating on FQ swimming helps me a lot.

Try to concentrate on stretching out for the end of the pool to keep the arm from dropping.

WildWill    pirate
10/03/2009 at 13:40
Not a bad shorter swim at lunch time

Did 3 x 400m, times were


So a 30sec improvement on last time i did that set
10/03/2009 at 21:33

Swim training tonight was rough - sometimes I think our trainer forgets we're triathletes not competitive swimmers! (all 3 of her kids are superb swimmers, 18min/13min/11min respectively for 1000m).

800m warmup (200m crawl, 200 backstroke, 200 crawl with pull bouy, 200 backstroke) x 2

8 x 50m (25m breathe only 3 times, 25m sprint)  10 secs rest intervals

2 x 500m (200m fast, 100m  breaststroke, 100m fast, 100m breaststroke)

2 x 400m (400m fast, 400m breathing alternate 3rd and 4th strokes)

800m cooldown (200m normal, 200m stretching long every 3rd stroke, 200m fingertips drill, 200m normal)

Total 3800m - I am very tired.

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