Cr@p Swimmers R Us

Swimming Support Thread

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14/08/2009 at 12:59

yes - that was the biggest thing I took from the day I was video'ed - some specific stuff but just generally how far apart what I thought I was doing was from what I was doing.  Which unless you can be video'ed regularly, is tricky to achieve, without a coach constantly in attendance.

I get the impression my biggest problem is balance in the water, once Vit is over I'll sort out some coaching and work on that.  I do vaguely recall reading about a gadget that acted as a sort of swimmers' spirit level, making a noise at a different pitch according to your tilt in the water - anyone come across those?

I've found swimming one of the hardest things to learn, I really can't focus on everything at once, so I'd add my voice to those saying work on one thing at a time

I'm going to try the wide arms drill next time I'm in the pool, will be interesting to see what happens (apart from whacking a neighbourign swimmer in the head)

Nam
14/08/2009 at 13:06

in terms of multi-tasking learning to swim is like learning to drive a car...  mirror, signal, manourvre... *judders*... *stalls*...

14/08/2009 at 13:09

LOL I'll agree with everything everyone has said.  Swimming is a lot of things to take on board and I've found I've been constantly improving my technique working on different things over time.

14/08/2009 at 13:35

Thanks for the feedback folks. I might nip over to Decathlon this afternoon and see if I can get a float. I could also use a gel saddle for my tri as I won't be wearing padded shorts (can't run in them).

Actually I don't feel any pressure to keep up with the others at the tri session. I'm quite happy in my position as 'the one that can't swim'. I got quite a bit of individual attention for my £3.50 fee. I can't get there very often though so I think a float and maybe even a pull buoy are the way to go. They don't have them at my gym.

ImRio    pirate
14/08/2009 at 13:45
Speedy I wouldn't bother with a gel saddle.  Tri shorts have a minimal amount of padding and dry out quickly and are much more comfortable than a gel saddle will be.  Less is often more in the cycling world and as they are made for tri you can run in them very comfortably too.
Nam
14/08/2009 at 15:20
Gel padding saddle cover thingies are the devil's work!  You'll chafe to buggery! 
14/08/2009 at 16:19
Nam wrote (see)
Gel padding saddle cover thingies are the devil's work!  You'll chafe to buggery! 
Unless you use lubricant
14/08/2009 at 17:00

Hi All,

Bimble-bee - another vote for zoogs predators. Apparently the way you can tell whether goggles are a good fit is to press the eye bits (frames? lenses?) against your eyes, without putting the strap over your head. If they stay there for a few minutes with pure suction power alone without falling off, they should be a good fit. My zoggs predators literally stick to my face for half an hour without the strap around my head.

Just had a peek at the swimsmooth website - it looks great. Will absorb it all properly next week.

Off to the isle of wight for the weekend - hope to get some good sea swimming in!

Have a good weekend everyone! 

14/08/2009 at 17:29

Rio, I don't have any tri-shorts, only cycle shorts with some sort of enormous nappy sewn in them. I do have a gel saddle cover but I stopped using it as the shorts are better, however I can't walk in them let alone run! As it turns out I didn't buy a gel saddle, they were nearly the same price as my bike (I have a very very cheap bike!) so it didn't seem worthwhile. I'll just have to cope for 10 miles.

I did get a kickboard and pull buoy, so now I can practice at my gym. Also picked up some cycling gloves reduced to £1.75. Bargain! They're kids ones and they only had 2 or 3 pairs left, but they're identical to the adult ones that were £12. Lucky for me I have tiny hands.

Sadly I also have a tiny head. Any goggle recommendations for ickle headed people? Are children's ones any good? I already have a child's cycle helmet and now gloves. I'm not proud!

14/08/2009 at 19:06

Hello All, (not stalking Speedy)

I'm not a crap swimmer yet but hope to be one once current marathon campaign is over. Can anyone indulge a complete novice? How many sessions per week do you do/need? What's the minimum/ideal amount of sessions needed to at least get through the swim at a 1/2 IM? I'm thinking 2/3 a week at mo for the next 12m?

Also like speedy will need some new kit. Do men train in tri-suits or just use for races? My old baggy's will need upgrading!  

Thanks all,

14/08/2009 at 20:48
Hi Shadow Face
16/08/2009 at 14:23

Hi everyone,

Just back from long weekend in Paris, did a bit of swimming while there, but also manged to aggravate an old toe injury so had to rest from the running.  Then my goggles were taken from my room by housekeeping so I have no goggles now.  

Hope everyone has been wel, i'll have a read back later.

16/08/2009 at 18:53

Bad news on the goggles Shiva. I now have children's Zoggs goggles. They leave a comedy mark around my eyes but they don't let the water in. Hurrah!

After my crazy 30k off road race this morning I retreated to the gym pool with my kickboard. I was resting at one end watching the girl in the lane next to me swimming BS. I noticed that she didn't appear to close her mouth ever. Then I had a lightbulb moment as to where I've been going wrong. You're supposed to just breathe in then breathe out! Sounds bleedin' obvious, but that's not what I've been doing - I've been breathing in, holding my breath, putting my face back in the water  and then letting the breath go. D'oh! No wonder I've been gasping and spluttering.

So then I had a go at BS using this new approach and lo and behold I can do it! Properly! So then I tried it with the kickboard for FC again. Bugger. Different rhythm. Much harder. Managed about 15m before it went a bit wrong. Ah well. Definite progress though!

16/08/2009 at 21:44

Shiva - what on earth did housekeeping want your googles for!!! Wallet, cash, yes...but googles?? That's totally random

Speedy - great progress! I try to breathe properly for BS, but struggle to get the co-ordination right. I end up underwater more than above it. Which isn't exactly right.

16/08/2009 at 21:47

Well done Speedy - one more step forwards. 

Bad news about the goggles Shiva - I agree, a bizarre thing to take. 

16/08/2009 at 23:29

I am gutted about the goggles, I can't find anywhere that sells them.  I got them from a stall at my local pool after a gala event.  I should point out, I don't think housekeeping took them on purpose, I think they took them with the dirty towels and dressing gowns.  Still hopeful they will turn up.

edited for spelling as i'm too tired to be able to type properly

Edited: 16/08/2009 at 23:34
17/08/2009 at 05:34

Soup Dragon

I finally got my name down Swimming Lesson.Its may take some time again like My Bike Ride I nearly dunn it at Grimsthorpe Castle in Lincolnshire then I bottle it.I dunn 16miles running through on saturday?

ImRio    pirate
17/08/2009 at 09:04

Well done Speedy G.  That is progress.  Now you just need to practice.   I find breathing with my face in the water hard with a kick board as your body is not in a good position.  What might be an idea is to put your face in the water and when you need to breathe do a fc stroke so you breathe underneath your arm as you would in the full stroke. 

Speedy 72.  Lessons are a big first step and definitely the way forward.  Concentrate on the technique before you go for distance. 

Sorry about your goggles Shiva.  Hope you get some replacements.

1700m of swim for me this morning made up of 300m warm up,  300 kick,  300 with paddles, 200 catch up, 300 kick, 300 paddles

17/08/2009 at 09:24

Morning all!

Well done, Speedy G!  That's fantastic progress!   As they say on the Swimsmooth site, exhalation - not holding your breath - is key.

Hi Speedy72.

Welcome too, Shadowface!  I'm normally doing 2 or 3 swim sessions a week at the mo, although I'm not exactly sure what my plans are for events next year  - all depends on how soon I can get a job, and therefore purchase a bike...

Nice work, Rio.

Sorry to hear about the goggles, Shiva - bummer!   Hope you can find some decent replacements.

Last of the three swimming lessons for me tonight.

Can't stay long on here today - I need to instigate some sort of self-imposed foruming/social networking ban, as I'm struggling to get my dissertation done.

Laters!

Edited: 17/08/2009 at 09:27
17/08/2009 at 09:56

Can I join in?.

Toying with the idea of a tri, so I decided to hit the pool this weekend and see whats what.

Basically, I have been swimming since I can remember, have always been a fairly strong, if slow swimmer, growing up on the seaside meant that I am quite used to swimming in the sea.

On looking at most of the short(er) tris, its the swim part that gives me the willys, I can cycle no problem, running, although I am not fast (27mins 5k time, 59mins 10k time), is fine with me, its just the swim.

So based on the 400m distance, I went for the 16 lenghts of my local pool, timed it, and using a mixture crawl and breast stroke, crawl does my arms in!!, I managed 15 mins.

Is this really slow?, do I need to get quicker before I think about a tri?, if so, how do I go about it.

Cheers.

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