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10/03/2009 at 21:35

Swim training tonight was rough - sometimes I think our trainer forgets we're triathletes not competitive swimmers! (all 3 of her kids are superb swimmers, 18min/13min/11min respectively for 1000m).

800m warmup (200m crawl, 200 backstroke/200 crawl with pull bouy, 200 backstroke) x 2

8 x 50m (25m breathe only 3 times, 25m sprint)  10 secs rest intervals

2 x 500m (200m fast, 100m  breaststroke, 100m fast, 100m breaststroke)

2 x 400m (400m fast, 400m breathing alternate 3rd and 4th strokes)

800m cooldown (200m normal, 200m stretching long every 3rd stroke, 200m fingertips drill, 200m normal)

Total 3800m - I am very tired.

sweetfeet...    pirate
10/03/2009 at 22:01
That was worth posting twice it was so impressive wolf.
10/03/2009 at 22:02

That sounds like a mega session - I would barely have managed the warm up!

 Anyone know where I can get hold of one of these TI DVD's?  Amazon don't seem to have them.  Looking for tips to improve my struggling fc!

11/03/2009 at 06:06

see sf, I did say I was tired! obviously, as I didn't notice the double post!

It would have been impressive if I hadn't struggled to do it all! Found it really hard work yesterday.

Edited: 11/03/2009 at 06:08
WildWill    pirate
11/03/2009 at 06:36
A good session there IW

Long swim for me tonite i hope
JD.    pirate
11/03/2009 at 15:36

so, was in the pool today, and this bloke got in with stubby yellow flippers on and some fingerless mits?  seen him a few times.  what's that all about?  he powers up and down very quickly.  just wondering what the training benefit is? 

was going to ask him if he did his bike training on one of those keirin bikes.

Symes    pirate
11/03/2009 at 16:38

Soup Dragon - I had that problem quite badly to the point of finding it really difficult to breathe about 10 hours after swimming, my doctor suggested using a steroid nasal spray like beconaise (sp) in the morning and evening which I did and it has helped a great deal. Apparently my nasal passage was sensitive to changing temperatures.

Wonder Woman - try here...

Back in the water tonight to take my "swimming" back to basics and try and teach my muscles to do things in a slightly better way as they've clearly been imprinted with a bad technique. It was sufficent to get me through an IM in the last 2 years but is definitely slowing me down horribly. Fingers crossed I don't completely forget what to do...

11/03/2009 at 17:43

Thanks SyM  - will give it a go.

11/03/2009 at 22:01
JD, I don't get the point of all that - there's a woman at our pool who never swims without fins, and another bloke who uses long flippers and hand paddles every time he gets in the water. They both seem to delight in speeding up and down overtaking everyone. I too can swim very much faster using flippers - but since you can't use them in races, why bother? Yes, there's a place for them when you are using a kick board and concentrating on kicking, but to my mind if you  use swim aids all the time then you get to rely on them too much.
WildWill    pirate
12/03/2009 at 06:47
I have some of those stubby fins (but dot use much as most pools dont like paddles or fins in public sessions)

They are used for strength training bot should only be used for the odd set

I had a good session at the pool last night ...

Had a good swim last night, did

1 x 100m easy
4 x 25m build
4 x 50m build
2 x 100m

4 x 25m Catch Up
4 x 25m 1-arm
4 x 25m legs only
4 x 50m finger tip drag
1 x 100m style

1 x 1600m TT ... in 32:30

1 x 400m easy

so my 1mile time was almost 3 mins faster than last week so im quite pleased at that


PS ... Using a kick board is for big girls blouses
Edited: 12/03/2009 at 06:48
IronNina    pirate
12/03/2009 at 15:00

Well done WW great session.

12/03/2009 at 15:55

tonight I have:

200m warm-up

250m pull

300m medium speed

250m pull

3 x 300m, 20 secs rest interval

3 x 200m, 20 secs rest interval

5 x 100m descending, 20 secs rest

200m cooldown

total 3200m

12/03/2009 at 17:36

The TI people really didnt recommend fins and paddles etc for the very reason that IW said - you can't use them in a race so they just give you false hope.  Fist gloves were the only thing we used. 

Bought some beconase spray today so fingers crossed.  Not been in the pool all week and missing it.

13/03/2009 at 06:11
plus using paddles if your stroke isn't 100% perfect is a very bad idea - for one thing it reinforces your errors in stroke mechanics and the other thing is you run the risk of injury.
13/03/2009 at 17:18

The toys are only useful for certain types of training and unless you know why you're using them you shouldn't bother.  Paddles and fins can be useful for strength training but, as IW says, you can easily injure yourself if you use them badly or too much.  Pull buoys can allow you to focus on your stroke without worrying about your legs but can reinforce a bad body position if you use them too much.

Aitch!    pirate
18/03/2009 at 19:08
I've been reading a TI book and am heading to the pool tonight to try out a few things...

I really need to improve my technique so I can speed up a bit. I know I can swim the distance for the Vit but not sure I'd make the 1hr 10 mins cut off right now and I'm probably more tired than I should be after it...
Edited: 18/03/2009 at 19:20
18/03/2009 at 19:11
Go on then Aitch....let us know what tips you're trying out??
Aitch!    pirate
18/03/2009 at 19:25
Erm, excuse the TI speak (which might not be accurate) but going to try pressing my buoy into the water to make body more streamline and no drag, seeing what my stoke count it, trying 'reaching for the wall' to lengthen stroke. I want to try breathing every 3rd but I just get so blinkin' tired, I think I might be trying too hard to go fast and not thinking about what I am doing! More rests between sets tonight so I don't get tired and sluggish... Hmmmm I will see how it goes!

Soupy, that review of the TI weekend was helpful, I wish I could afford it but I can't
20/03/2009 at 18:01

Aitch - it was a lot of money!  There are some coaches who give TI lessons by the hour in an endless pool though I think. 

The beconaise nasal stuff seems to be working so thanks for the tip.  I'm still doing TI drills and getting the timing a bit better.  Its going to take some time I think so I have to learn patience. 

WildWill    pirate
23/03/2009 at 13:22
Just had a short linch time session with the aim of checking my 100m time for 'T' based sets, did

400m warm up
3 x (100m hard + 200m Recover : 1min RI)

Times for the 100m intervals were: -


So quite pleased ... would like to get it below 1:30 befor the summer

Edited: 23/03/2009 at 13:23
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