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01/04/2009 at 07:47
Thanks - I am really really pleased.
WildWill    pirate
01/04/2009 at 07:59
Im hoping to get a lunchtime drill session tomorow and a longer swim on Friday
PSC    pirate
01/04/2009 at 08:25

this is an interesting article... and runs contrary to what many on here believe (including me).

X Tri swim training article

01/04/2009 at 09:18
Great article PSC. I only say great because it is how I think about it
01/04/2009 at 12:07
Don't agree with the article. Less skilled swimmers use a lot more effort and energy, yes, but if you don't do some drills to work on your motor skills your stroke remains poor. Novice swimmers should never be advised to use paddles, for reasons some of us already listed previously. Many of our masters group have improved their tri swims enormously by attending the tri club coached swimming , which generally runs between 3000m and 4000m per session. I personally reduced my 1500m tri time by over 6 minutes last season. Proof of the pudding?
01/04/2009 at 13:45

I don't think the guy is saying if your technique is poor don't improve it. To me he is saying working only on your technique (especially on low mileage) isn't going to make you a quicker swimmer. From reading this thread it is clear that you don't only work on technique but do lots of interval stuff as well.

I don't do much drill work but do sessions where I focus my attention on improving certain aspects of my stroke and I tend to do interval sessions as well. I have improved by 16 minutes on my 1500 metres time in under 2 years but don't see that it proves much.

Stick with what you enjoy and what works for you, but don't be blinkered to thinking there is one right way.

01/04/2009 at 15:54
I'm not blinkered - just like in most things, there's no one size fits all answer. But all the things I've read from top pros and old pros like Macca, Stadler, Mark Allen, Dave Scott, Gordo etc. all seem to say you need to concentrate on one sport at a time, with the odd "brick" of two sports or in their case, 3 in one day. Most of us just can't manage that, both for time and body reasons. Some of the training plans I've looked at even say to sometimes do maybe a whole week of just one sport, then change to one of the others. There's so much variation. What it comes down to is what works for you.
01/04/2009 at 16:18

UW - I don't see that the article is actually saying anything different than you! It would seem good advice to say if you have limited time to swim (3 x 2000 metres is limited compared to the guys you list) then don't use it all doing drills, rather make sure you are also working on speed. t some point if you want to swim quciker you are going to have practice swimming quicker and not just work on your technique (I know you do). Maybe I misunderstood the article but to me it doesn't say don't work on your technique (do drills) but don't use all your limited time on this.

To me a good balance approach is the one WildWill mentioned on the last page.

01/04/2009 at 16:19

WildWills approach:

Drill Session - Warm up then drills
Interval Session - shorter intervals
long session - Longer intervals OR non stop swim

PSC    pirate
01/04/2009 at 18:22
I've read his other articles on X Tri too and I rather like his approach to tri in general although initially found some of comments a bit odd.  He treats runbikeswim as the sport rather than the three elements indivually.  Therefore you need to train to link them together and perhaps recognise that you won't ever achieve max success at any one.  On that basis I support his approach, however, as i do all of my swim training with a swim club I am now firmly in the groove of swim training to swim rather than swim training to tri....   and this is perhaps where the conflict exists.  I do mix it up a bit - concentrate on the arms, do drills and rarely put in a long swim.  I also do intervals as to swim faster you need to swim fast (I think that's one of your quotes IW).  So, on that basis, and having read the article 3 times now.... I think old Sergio has it about right.  That doesn't help the breathless ones on here.....
01/04/2009 at 20:56

30 lengths of front crawl tonight.  It began as it always does with a heart attack impression after every two lengths, heart rate going through the roof, then something interesting happened at length 18 (pay attention OO) I reached equilibrium.  My input was matching my output and I was slower than when I started, but I was not out of breath (well not too much) and was able to stand for about 10 seconds or so at each end (not the deep end, as this would mean drowning ) and then go straight into another length.  I stopped at 30 lengths because I ran out of time.  Never thought I'd be posting that!  

We had a wally in the lane tonight, he started off on one side of the lane (bearing in mind you can just about fit three people across the lane) and as he went along he moved further and further over to the other side, the other side that people were swimming up.  Nobody was brave enough to tell him what he was doing - he genuinely had no idea.  Bless...   

PSC    pirate
02/04/2009 at 06:40
woohoo well done Blondiee...
WildWill    pirate
02/04/2009 at 07:10
to day will be .... drills

02/04/2009 at 07:23

today will be - recovery swim, after my long bike ride. Took a day's leave today to get in a nice long ride.

We have our monthly tri club meeting tonight, there's a French cyclist coming to talk to us about TdF, should be interesting.

WildWill    pirate
02/04/2009 at 14:04
400m WU
2 x (
150m Catch Up
150m 1-armed
150m Finger tip
2 x (100m Fist Drill)
2 x 50m Warm down
02/04/2009 at 17:23

Nice, Will.

Off now myself for an easy little swim, cycled 90km today followed by a 5km run, that's enough training for a Thursday!

PSC    pirate
02/04/2009 at 18:30
that's enough training for a whole week   Good one UIW..
02/04/2009 at 23:55

ta PSC.  Keep up the good blogging... a good motivator for you I'm reckoning. 

03/04/2009 at 14:02


 Would anyone have the google map where all the open water locations are posted. I seem to recall having it bookmarked but cannot find it.

Thanks in advance,


WildWill    pirate
03/04/2009 at 15:47

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