Cr@p Swimmers R Us

Swimming Support Thread

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11/06/2012 at 12:47

Hey all, glad to see everybody is making great progress with the swimming. 

Blisters - seems you've cracked the distance, i know exactly what you mean about wanting to be able to 'jog' when swimming - i'm the same...

Jezza_B - great race report.  Your run time was amazing !!  I did my first tri about a month ago with almost the same overall timem but your run was 8 minutes faster !

Anyway, i've been plodding on in the pool, trying to get myself used to swimming further distance.  I have my 2nd tri looming in two weeks with a 750m swim which i'm now in full panic mode about.

To make things harder, i've just felt so, so tired in the last week.  Not sure if it's the training, on-set of man-flu or what, but i could have easily spent all day in bed on Saturday.  Anyway, going to have a last hard push at training this week and then ease off next week ready for the event.

11/06/2012 at 18:55

good swim today, had another go at fly, kind of went to pot a bit today but it's just a case of practise practise and working on the timing, finding it easier to keep my head in the water to do the arms until I get consistently raising enough out of the water to breath  I tried one arm only but didn't get on with it, I did feel like I wanted to go into front crawl

BUT, did ditch the float and did the dolphin kick on it's own for a length, very hard to "feel" but tried to concentrate less on "kicking" and more on the pivoting around the hip.  at least I moved albeit slowly.

crawl is getting better as well, after someone saying on here about entering the hand much sooner on the recovery, I tried that and kind of "punched" the arm through the water more positively and I defintely felt an increase in power and pace, and it also seemed to make the body roll more definite and flowing

11/06/2012 at 18:57

well done Jezza and great going everyone

11/06/2012 at 20:28

Everyones doing brilliantly!

I did my 2nd OW swim on saturday. Blenheim Palace. My sighting needs looking at....Mr Canoe Man had to stop me from veering totally off course....whoooopsie!!

23.03 minutes, for a 750+ metres as who only knows how far out I went!!!! I definately need presciption goggles....I couldnt see where the bouys were!

Same again next year .

11/06/2012 at 20:45

well done nameless, I think I'd be the same. I've got daily disposable lenses that I can wear with goggles, might be worth looking into, especially for tri-s as you don't have to change goggles for glasses etc

Blisters    pirate
11/06/2012 at 21:44

Great ones Jezza and Nameless, they sound like really good races.

Loon, that's promising about both the crawl and the fly. (Aren't they Steven King novels?)

I'm looking forward to my next session in anticipation...

11/06/2012 at 22:14

lol if not they should be

Britrisky    pirate
11/06/2012 at 22:41
Had my first (adult) swimming lesson - the teacher was very young and didn't seem to have much to say. Her friend who was just watching offered more help and had me kicking a lot and breathing so that only the top half of me turns but the legs stay square.

They both agreed I looked better once I had practiced this, but I'm not at all sure either teachers will have anything more to add. At the end the main teacher said for the rest of the lessons I should just practice doing timed lengths.

Mm - I'm a bit disappointed if I'm honest. I'd hoped for an experience like IronHolg described in his book - young thing, keen as mustard, pushing and challenging me to work really hard. Sadly it wasn't like that at all.

Do I persevere - at least it's a quiet pool and i had to pay for dive lessons up front, quit - my time could be better spent swimming lengths on my own (it's not even a 25m pool), or go to someone else. I've found a teacher with their own pool (although I doubt that is 25m!) and there's another offering to do OW lessons.

What do people think?
12/06/2012 at 11:40

Hey hope all is well, where in the uk are you ? I am a swim instructor but specialise in competition swimming a lot of swim instrucotrs only have level 2 Teaching aquatics which is great for teaching kids but when it comes down to fine tuning someones stroke they dont have much of a clue so I can understand your frustration. 

If you visit my website www.train2swim.com my contact details are on there, even if you arent near me im sure there are ways I can help your swimming.

The adive they have given you is to make sure your legs stay square ? if that is the case get out now, when swimming the entire body rotates in sync if your hips and legs fight against this you will end up snaking. swimming is all about straight lines so the first thing you want to look at is body position. I could waffle on here but it will be easier to chat via mail so jump on the webpage and contact me and I will do my best to help you with your stroke 

12/06/2012 at 11:45

That doesn't sound like a good instructor to me Britrisky.  I'm not a qualified coach but I think I could give better advice than that.

12/06/2012 at 11:48

Supercaz is right and it is appaling that your having to pay for that sort of advice especially when what they are telling you is incorrect 

Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
12/06/2012 at 12:33

Ditto.

12/06/2012 at 13:59

nice work on the OW swim nameless, very impressive.

thanks all for kind words on my debut, really did enjoy the race.  Clearly need to spend more time in the pool - I'm going to up it to min of 2 sessions a week and see if I can crack it.

Britrisky, sorry to hear of poor service from coach - I'd persevere on basis you've paid in advance, but give them some feedback that you're not happy.

12/06/2012 at 15:50

Britrisky, I think you should ask for your money back. They are not delivering swim training to you. Just because you have paid in advance doesn't mean they don't have to give you the training they have offered. If they are unable to give you the training get the money back.

Bad coaching is worse than self-coaching. Get your money back and use it for better coaching.

You have been unlucky, but I think you will be better prepared to assess the capabilities of other coach e.g. asking what advice they would give re rotation and keeping your legs square.

 

12/06/2012 at 16:07
Who else on here has been taught to keep there legs square because this is coming up a lot and is concerning, I will make a deal with everyone I will email everyone a good description of correct and efficient freestyle for you guys to follow if I can get some likes on facebook and you promise not to force your legs to be square ( by square I mean feet and legs always facing the bottom of the pool)
Britrisky    pirate
12/06/2012 at 16:11

Thanks for the advice, guys - I've sent an email asking for a refund, so we'll see what the outcome is. I've never complained about anything like this before, so this is new territory for me. I usually put up and shut up, but like you've all said, this is a pretty poor show, really. How do you know how good a coach / teacher is, especially when you're just told they are 'adult improver' lessons, and nothing more? I feel like Hull is a bit of a backwater (excuse the pun) in terms of finding teachers.

I really want to learn to do TI swimming - it looks so effortless. Maybe one day I'll treat myself to a weekend course dahhn sahhhhth. My friend lent me the book, but I can't quite get my head around swimming from a book!

RW - you're on - I've sent you an email

Edited: 12/06/2012 at 16:19
12/06/2012 at 16:26

Britrisky- work on you kick preferably without a kickboard, put your hands side by side and lock your thumbs together hold your arms out in front and make sure your hands are just below the surface of the water, Head position is important it controls your body position in the water better than you know, as a guide start off with the water line on the middle of your forehead, if your legs are too low your head is too high, if your legs are too high your head is too low play around with the head position, right back to the drill so your hands are side by side thumbs locked arms extended in front of you the aim is to perform this kick with your body being perfectly straight , imagine a piece of string tied to your fingers then your toes if you were to place a spirit level on that string it would be perfectly level. That is what you are aiming for this drill will also work your core. 

When swiming full stroke remember patience, patience is the key to swimming smoothly and effeciently, imagine an object just out of your reach on each stroke and hold that stretch for a count of 2 elephants, when your hand enters enter thumb first and slide your hand forward in the water keeping it high. when you catch ensure your hands are inline with your shoulders, and during your pull ensure that you do not come over you centre line or go to wide, both of which will cause unecessay movement and increase drag. 

everytime your hand enters push your hip into the movement so right arm right hip left arm left hip, this will be weird to start with but once you start to get used to it will make things a lot smoother.

 

Just remember PATIENCE, CONTROL AND STRAIGHT LINES

If you want anymore advice www.train2swim.com 

Blisters    pirate
14/06/2012 at 00:28

Great OW training Nameless, and a good tri JazzaB. I don't feel competent to comment upon the lessons Britrisky, but the lack of attention paid to you seems wrong.
The first few coached sessions I attended, I got more advice than you describe, and there were 12-15 of us in the pool for two coaches.

I swam today, and hit another new milestone. 800m! Yup, S.W.A.B. managed half a mile of crawl. I didn't have my watch, but think that the first 16 lengths took around 12-13 minutes, with the full 32 taking 29 minutes. I didn't stop at the ends of the lengths either.
Even the wife was mildly impressed. I've not bothered telling the 16yo daughter. I won't even be worth a snort of derision.

Slow is the new fast.

14/06/2012 at 17:53

Britrisky, some things that are useful to know in assessing a coach/course might include:
-qualifications and experience (if the experience is only teaching kids then that does not necessarily transfer well to coaching adults.)
-what will the course cover, they should have some kind of plan either detailed or general (just telling you to do timed lenths shows there is no plan. So all you are paying for is pool time)
-they should be able to tell what you will able to do after the course to practice what you have learned. This will mainly involve drills. Drills should be included - if they arent mentioned then how can the coach show you how good form during the lessons and how to continue to practice good form apres-lesson.

This thread is fairly good on advice on what is good form and how drills can help, but it is a bit bulky to go through now. It is worth looking at resources to get a feel what you should be doing, and using that knowledge to assess potential coaching.

Re TI. There isnt really such a thing as TI swimming. Freestyle is freestyle. It is more a brand to differentiate a particulr coaching. Some might say they over-emphasis the look of the thing but the basic stroke they teach is not much different.

 

Blisters    pirate
14/06/2012 at 23:44

How amusing....

I decided to do a little trawling, and guess what I saw on page 9 of this thread?

It seems that 2004 to 2012 passed in the blink of an eye.
I can confirm that actually going to the pool helps progress, and having some coach that gives advice is essential.

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