Cr@p Swimmers R Us

Swimming Support Thread

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06/11/2012 at 23:03

I found the TI book helpful when I first began 'proper' swimming but I don't think anything has been as helpful as consistently swimming two or three times a week with a fantastic knowledgable coach.

I 'm going for swim analysis now too.

One thing which did help me (recently) was a Ti Talk discussion on about plunging arms and I knew exactly what it was talking about as I clearly did it.  At that point I finally understood the high elbow thing.  Addressing it has had a massive positive impact on my stroke!

Blisters    pirate
06/11/2012 at 23:18

I'm still doing low elbows on my LHS. As I breathe to my right I'm rotating more to that side. I'm conciously having to rotate left as I reach forward with my right hand, so that my left can get the elbow up.

This is one of the reasons why I'm trying to get alternate breathing. Give me another month.

Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
08/11/2012 at 07:44

Blisters - two technique drills that help with this. 1. Fingertips - swim trailing your fingertips through the water instead of lifting your hands out. 2. Armpits - touch your fingers to your armpit before putting your arm forward. Both drills help to get your elbows up.

Rafiki    pirate
08/11/2012 at 15:30

Hi, another swimming brick after some advice!

When I breathe to my right I am aware that during the pull part of my stroke I not only drop my left elbow too soon, but also drag my left arm across the centre of my body, which is obviously not ideal! Don't have the problem with my right arm when I breathe to the left.

Anyone got any suggestion on corrective techniques/drills I could try?

 

08/11/2012 at 16:16

Rafiki - I know this isn't helpful, but I do the same when breathing to my left. To correct this, I have been trying to glide more and only start my pull phase when the arm on the rerturn stroke is in line with my elbow on the lead arm, which at this stage is still straight. This also helps with balance and encourages streamlining therebye reducing drag. I find that if I consciously practice this technique it definitely works and eliminates the problem. I hope this makes sense. 

With regards to crossing, maybe you are over rotating causing your left arm to cross centre.       

Good luck.

       

Blisters    pirate
08/11/2012 at 21:28

Rafiki, coach has had us all repeatedly swimming along the black line. Reaching out long to the far pool wall, and making sure that we snap the elbow for the pull. The critical bit about the black line is to focus on making sure that your left arm stayed to the left of it and vice versa.

Bionic, I recall those drills, a similar one was shoulder tap. We were advised to be careful with the finger trail one as it was important that the fingers remained straight, and didn't promote a bent wrist.

Rafiki    pirate
08/11/2012 at 21:31

Cheers Stephen and Blisters - I shall try both of those!!

09/11/2012 at 10:04

Had a really bad the office today, couldn't get any aspect of the stroke right. I felt like it was my first time in the pool!!!!

Anyway, on a positive note tomorrow is new day. In the morning I will be popping along to the coached session at the tri club.   

Blisters    pirate
09/11/2012 at 23:36

I promise that you'll find the coached session excellent.

Today for me, I skipped the Friday swim (shock!), because I'd just done a mullering 23 mile run in the morning. That was good value. I'm still wearing the compression socks. No point just turning up and having a bad session in the pool and getting cramps.

13/11/2012 at 18:41

I had my first swim lesson today in ooh 35 years.

Lets start with the basics Jon, you have a strong consistent kick and you don't overdo it which is great for triathlon. Everything else we can work on.

So it's not all bad 

Blisters    pirate
14/11/2012 at 00:37

Final RV

Coach has got it right. A bad kick is a dog of a habit for a coach to get rid of. The best students are the worst ones, because they aren't going to argue. Once you're breathing more air than water it means that you're swimming. Once you can do repetitive lengths you can work on stroke. Within 6 weeks it will click, then comes a period when techniques get embedded. 

 

14/11/2012 at 17:47

Apparently I'm told by the coach from swim for tri that it 1500 repetitions of a movement.....one swim session can be as little as 300.....

Blisters    pirate
14/11/2012 at 23:03

Well that's quite good really. Only 5 sessions and you'll have it. The answer is clearly to invest a few coppers in practice sessions between lessons. I'm going three times a week in order to get it embedded.

Tonight I went for a longer slot and did 102 lengths. Bizarrely it took me 10 minutes longer than it did the first time I got that far. Reach and glide clearly isn't the same as grab and shove.

IronCat5    pirate
15/11/2012 at 08:27

My coach has corrected by windmill arms to reach and glide. However I agree with yo Blisters.

1 handfull of water every 5s isn't the same as multiples of handfuls in the same time a la windmill/grab and shove.

We'll get there.

15/11/2012 at 12:54

Session this morning was great.  When concentrating & trying probably far too hard I managed to get down to 13 strokes per length from 16 17 & somethimes even 18 strokes per length.  Inconsistent, maybe but at least I know it works & it can be done.

15/11/2012 at 13:14

About time i join in here, had done little/no swimming in years till i started training 4 ish weeks ago. Worked my way up to 1250m Breaststroke in 35 min, but had been avoiding crawl, because i didn't want to learn bad habbits and i could swim 4 lengths before being too out of breath to continue.

Went along to my local tri club's swim session last night. Was really helpful, and i was pleased to find that all abilities were catered for, and there were other swimmers around my level there. My tasks for the week seem to be exhaling consistantly, and slowing the pace down. Slightly worried about being told not to do kicking drills until i get fins as what ever i do will be learning bad habits!

Well frist step on the road to swimming crawl taken, stupid target set... 1mile non stop crawl by new year. God only knows if it is doable from this base but its a target to aim for.

Blisters    pirate
15/11/2012 at 22:36

T Hill. Obviously God knows it's doable. I would also say that the rest of us new swimmers will confirm it. From 25m to 400m continuous is a big jump. From 400m to 1600m is not such a big jump. Because by that stage you will have got enough rhythm to be able to put a jog version of a swim together. If you can jog for 16 lengths you can jog for 64, presuming that your running has established the cardio vascular base. Top tips are:
1- breathing (every 3 is very professional, every 2 is very practical)
2- don't "kick" so much as just use your thighs to help keep you up.

16/11/2012 at 08:28

Finally had a swim yesterday with new goggles that didnt leak. Made such a difference. Arrived at pool after fire brigade turned up and kicked everyone out of the building. Whole bunch of little school kids standing in the car park in their costumes and space blankets.Sooo glad I didn't go a bit earlier.

 

Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
18/11/2012 at 14:55

LJS and I swam 2700m of last Tuesday's 4100m tri club training which we missed. Shown below in case any of you fancy doing some of it. Our trainer is brilliant, in 4 years of swimming in the master's group, she has never repeated a single session!

warm-up - 800m, 100m each crawl/fly kick/breast/backstroke and repeat.

10 x 25m sprint/25m easy

200m breathing drill - change every 50m: breathe every 3rd/every 4th/every 5th/every 4th stroke

200m backstroke - 2 left arm strokes/2 right arm strokes/10 leg kicks and repeat.

pyramid - 50/100/150/200/200/150/100/50m

The part we didn't get to before the pool closed was: 400m crawl, count strokes for first length and reduce by 6 strokes every length.

1000m cooldown - 200m crawl with catchups/200m backstroke catchups/200m crawl with pull bouy/200m backstroke with pull bouy/200m crawl.

Edited: 18/11/2012 at 15:00
21/11/2012 at 08:10

Last night was my first 1-2-1 swimming lesson, not sure if i felt i took enough away to justify the cost. After an hours session the teacher had found plenty of things to work on, quite a few of which i already felt were not quite right and needed work and another few that i was not aware were a problem. I'm now swimming 4 times a week, and wanted to leave with at least a couple of drills to work on beofre my next 1-2-1 session, but am not sure i even really left with one thing to practice.

I will have to have a think about things, but my current line of thinking is to give one more lesson a try, then maybe consider a different instructor, or just sticking with the Tri Club sessions. So a little disapointed, but not sure if it was my expectations that were not realistic.

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