Cr@p Swimmers R Us

Swimming Support Thread

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28/11/2012 at 15:17

The idea with the 100/200/400/800 is to keep the effort the same and increase the distance, but the follow up session 800/400/200/100 the speed should increas as you get to the shorter sets.
SS - you are right on the warm up, was told to do what feels right for that session but aim between 3 and 5 hundred metres.
I very rarely take time off work ill, and have worked with the same people for a long time now, hopefully that gives me the benifit of the doubt. That said i know what you mean, and i really don't know if its best to just keep going or to stop and fight what ever you have off before you continue. I'll not be trying to catch up on any missed training, monday is a rest day, so I'm only one day down for the weak, will be taking today easy too. The goal is to work up to a mile with no breaks before new year, in an hours session i think i can go the distance now, but that will involve stopping resting, doing some drills etc.

If i go to swim today I'll keep a track of the total distance i cover.

Dustboy    pirate
28/11/2012 at 16:44

hilly, if you get a copy of the plan for the eve from the club, you can work out your distance by how far you got through the set. Think I made it to the end once! They are usually about 2500 to 2700M long in teh crap swimmers lane

Blisters    pirate
02/12/2012 at 22:29

Session tonight was a flogging for all attendees, with coach demanding alternate breathing. He also stated that it will take at least 6 sessions before it becomes embedded. Deep joy.

The pool is significantly shallower as a result of our efforts.

 

03/12/2012 at 14:13

Du, dun ,dun ... I have venture to the local pool twice on my own now, not as part of a club session or anything. Both times I managed 1K in 1Hr, so no I just need to be able to do that twice as quick and for twice as long and without hanging on to the wall for a breather every 2 lengths.

 

Blisters    pirate
04/12/2012 at 12:14

Ali, well done on achieving that progress, it's certainly a stage that any swim coach can build from.

 

14/12/2012 at 20:44

I'm looking for some encouragement re distances & times, I can knock out 2km in 40 minutes, front crawl, alternate breathing, no breaks, that's the furthest I've ever swum & I'm doing that twice a week at the moment before I start the Fink 30 week competitive program in Feb.  Man it's dull, that's 100 lengths of the pool I swim in.

I did a 2000 metre session last week that had 800 metres of drills as well still managed around 45 mins with a few breaks of 60 seconds between sets.

Tonight I was in the OAP lane, 12 year old kids were pi**ing past me in the fast lane in their squad lessons little gits but I know my technique is better than it was, I've had a good few lessons now, stroke count is down & my Poolmate is telling me efficiency is around 42 which is above average supposedly?

Am I really going to be able to double my distances & up the speed before September?

Should I be doing more 'zombie' swims before the 30 week program starts for IM Wales?  Maybe even get toward doing the 3.8km before mid Feb?  The base I need for swimming feels like it's lacking, my bike & run base I'm less concerned about.

Any help most welcome.

seren nos    pirate
14/12/2012 at 21:49

I wish i could knock out 2k in 40 mins.no chance

15/12/2012 at 07:47

Final RV, sorry mate can't help you, I think you are on the wrong thread.    

15/12/2012 at 12:05

Final RV

you will be fine. With consitent and frequent training you will improve. and with swimming the improvement will be a step change.
You wont need to be able to swim the distance in Feb in order to swim the distance in Sept. You will find you will improve because of the swim training, but also the bike and run training will help your endurance in the swim. Also the effect of the wetsuit

If 100 laps are dull why not start Fink now, or pick Fink sessions at random?  No reason to wait till Feb. You can then restart the program in Feb.

Blisters    pirate
19/12/2012 at 21:32

Fahq Me, 100 lengths takes me 75 minutes on the few occasions I've got there.

I can understand how you feel about it being dull, but as you say yourself, it's ONLY 45 minutes. I have a couple of suggestions, and these may be off the wall for December.
1 - Find a 50 metre pool. They are less popular, but you'll do fewer lengths.
2 - Swim in the sea. I started an outdoor swim friend-finding thread, worth a go.

21/12/2012 at 13:36
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all on the "not so good" swimmers R us thread
21/12/2012 at 15:03

Did 4x 400m with 2 min rests between sets today, feels good to be back in the pool, just hoping i don't pick up another cold from swimming. Am still over rotating to breathe, need to look for a way to stop that, so any suggestions would be welcomed, and would really like to see the times starting to come down from 10min per 400.

Doner Kebab    pirate
21/12/2012 at 21:44
Keep one goggle under water, if both come out you are over rotating or holding your head up too much, like I do
22/12/2012 at 04:13

DK is correct, that is what a coach would reccommend. However, I've tried the one goggle approach and I end up with a mouth full of water. You have try to hold your mouth like Popeye whilst breathing. 

Blisters    pirate
24/12/2012 at 12:53

Watching the Mr Smooth video analysis, what we have got to do is a combination of things. I am similarly 10min for 400m, and find that I am quite simply NOT the easiest and smoothest swimmer.

A Smoothie keeps his head dead still and on the centre line of his body. His perfect roll action enables the crown of his head to always keep pushing a bow wave forwards. This in turn generates a trough conveniently at mouth level. His constant speed through the water accentuates the height of the wave and depth of the trough.

We land lubbers make a Horlicks of the process in a multitude of ways.
-We're slow, so the wave is small at best.
-We pulse forwards with each arm stroke, so the wave/trough is created then lost with every stroke. In all probability we try and breathe as the trough fills and becomes a wave itself!
-We lift our head a bit, and the bow wave disappears.
-We're not smooth, so sometimes the trough's there, and other times it's not.

Personally, I'm happy to accept over-rotation. It's a skill that's going to be necessary in open water. When you've been swimming for a couple or 6 years I'm sure that the neat bow wave will be second nature. It's all a bit poncy for a wind swept lake though.

 

15/01/2013 at 16:22

I'm in the US on business at the moment & managing to keep training despite being offered plates of food big enough to end world famine.

So last night I went swimming at the Spa in the hotel I'm at, 20 metre pool, laned off, seems perfect, or so I thought..........................

2 swimmers only per lane, speak to Lifeguard who will allocate a lane when someone drops out. 

5 minutes later I'm allocated a lane.

15 minutes later having done my warm up I get stopped by the Lifeguard, no hand paddles allowed as they are a danger to other swimmers.  The other swimmer in my lane had gone, I had the lane to myself.

Oh well, I pull out the pull buoy, not allowed, no reason given.

So finally I pull out the kickboard, not allowed, swimmers must swim unaided, if swimming aids are needed I should use the childrens pool.

And to think Weissmuller, Phelps & Spitz all had to deal with this but still made it to the top of the game.

Too many rules.

Blisters    pirate
15/01/2013 at 21:44

FFS that really sucks, FRV. They'll be taking the water out of the pool next so you can't drown.

Got to my pool today and had a bit of a bosh. A mile done, focussing on the pull phase and not digging too deeply. Although I was chased up the lane a couple of times (by a guy with hand paddles) I still managed a good time for me of 43 minutes. Then my watch strap broke with a mere 5 metres left to swim!

15/01/2013 at 21:52

Every time I come here (which is a lot so Mrs FRV keeps on telling me) I notice more and more rules, most of which beggar belief that a: there's a rule & b: people need to be told in the first place.

Blisters    pirate
12/02/2013 at 20:12

Time to get back in the pool.

Training last Sunday week included a couple of new experiences for me.

-I tried out my wetsuit for the first time, and the speed it gave me was phenomenal! Mostly it's due to the higher position in the water, as demonstrated by the fact that I took on a lot more water: my relative head position was new.

-Then I took it off and we did a time trial. That fixed a reference point.

-On Sunday just gone we had another set of drills, skills and training sets. These were just 100m at a time, but swum harder. A new focus on legs to get me higher provided more impetus through less drag. I was almost able to complete the set without being lapped. That's a first!

-Today, free swim at the pool, nailed a 400m time trial better than last week's!
-Continuing on with the clock still running, took it to the mile in 43:30, and that's close to a PB, despite stops and swapping through 3 lanes. Something has clicked....

14/02/2013 at 10:15

Woo a little progress for the bear Perfect timing as I was just starting to feel down about swimming again.

We did saluting drills at training last night and they are fab, make me laugh so much I nearly drown but very simply transform my windmilling arms into high elbow ones that actually allow me to pull through the water and go faster.

I  ache a lot to day but have been given the go ahead to concentrate on this new technique un-supervised too. 

Only problem is I seem to have developed a pull to the left when doing this so have got to work hard on my straightness.

My times won't be improving soon  but if i can crack this next step I think I might just make the cut off.

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