Cr@p Swimmers R Us

Swimming Support Thread

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15/03/2013 at 09:51

I'm learning front crawl,  I have entered the Birmingham Olympic tri this year and will be my first open water swim, I thought a few weeks training 2-3 times a week in my local pool would be enough to get the hang of crawl, after an eye opening Feb I now attend swim lessons and they have been great, I still have trouble with breathing but can now do 4-5 lengths without having to hang on to the edge gasping for breath and coughing up that mornings brekky, for me I have found that keeping the head low and breathing from the same side every second stroke and really turning my head so facing up to the ceiling and a little behind me I can take a slow deep breath when needed(often).

Still in a panic about my first openwater swim and my first half IM next year, hopefully I can string out more than 5 lengths by then

I use vics nasal mist spray after swimming as I have really bad sinus problems after swimming and long runs, and it works pretty well.

Edited: 15/03/2013 at 09:58
15/03/2013 at 10:14
WildWill..... wrote (see)
As part of my drills session I do breathing drills, where I breath on the 2,3,4,5,6,6,5,4,3,2 a full length (or 2) of each ... On the evens I breath on the right on the way up and on the left on the way down

... If that makes sense

6, 6! Blimey we do those and I enjoy them but so far only go up to 5, not sure I could manage 6. If my face is in the water then I'm breathing out, but through my mouth as I couldn't manage the nose thing and now wear a nose clip.

15/03/2013 at 13:19

Useful this, I'm learning to swim, it's taken me about three months from not being able to put my head under water to breathing every two for a length. I can breath, I can do the arms and the legs, putting it all together is the hard bit. I'll join a tri club when my next set of lessons finish and hopefully get in open water in the summer.

Blisters    pirate
15/03/2013 at 22:15

YAY, Welcome out of the woodwork all you lurkers!
I'm very much a learner, having been only going at it for a year, but it gets easier.
The more times that an action is repeated, the more it becomes second nature.

The first time we did that breathing pyramid I was still learning how to breathe every 2. I ignored the challenge. We did it again a couple of weeks ago, and I even got up to the 5 that was top of our tree. 6 is doable, but I'd need a bit more time in the water. Like 12 months.

Fatmo. Panic not. You are ON COURSE.
Graeme. Keep going several times a week and it will suddenly click.

19/03/2013 at 19:45

I started going to a swimming lesson (all levels) for an hour a week - havent swum in 20+ years so I had the stroke but no the confidence or the swim specific fitness.  I can now do 1200 metres in an hour - which is a world away from my first week where I wore myself out due to not having the breathing sorted.  I need to learn or rather practice breathing on both sides I tend only to breathe on my left hand side.  

Edited: 19/03/2013 at 19:46
Blisters    pirate
20/03/2013 at 23:23

Michael Phelps breathes to one side.

However, there is more of a need for tiarafleets to breathe to both sides cos Mr Fish doesn't have a cold Nor'Easterly in his nice 50m pool.

SBC. Don't worry about alternate breathing just yet. Worry about breathing at all. Bring it in again later. It will click, just like they told me.

21/03/2013 at 11:11

Had a fun swim last night did my first reducing recovery pyramid, wasn't perfect due to lane congestion but I enjoyed it. Another little thing to play with. Also got reminded to kick from the hip not the knee, when I manage it it's great so much fast but I get cramp in my feet before 25metres are up. More practise required I think.

Blisters    pirate
22/03/2013 at 19:37

Good thought David. It just goes to show that there's a difference between experience and bluster. I'm looking forward to getting into that nice warm open water environment.

Pool today: 80 lengths, with a bit of effort put in for my finish of the mile. Did the 64 in a new pb again, 40:13. That's almost up to my wife's boring plod pace. Well chuffed.

23/03/2013 at 08:03

Am going to try for 2km today and see how long it takes me  I may be some time - after ploughing through the freaking snow!!  Will try the breathing on both sides on Wednesday methinks - Im a good girl guide.

23/03/2013 at 15:02

2km took me 1:57 with breaks and waiting for peeps slower than me (Im not fast enough to go in the big boys lane or even the medium lane).  So I know I can do the Olympic tri distance just have to get quicker - a lot quicker 

23/03/2013 at 15:36

Re. the breathing out fast or slow whilst face in water debate. I prefer to breath out as I roll to breath in. So, I exhale just before AND just after my mouth comes out of the water. In effect, holding my breath in longer than experts recommend. Have tried all ways and this feels most natural. I also use a nose clip to stop the 48 hours of flu like symptoms after a swim. 

23/03/2013 at 16:12

I only got one session in the pool this week.  But I did improve my technique with my breathing.  I managed virtually the whole session doing front crawl.  I'm still working on my breathing and fitness in the pool.  I'm still breathing out a bit as I turn my head to breathe in.  I guess I've just got to find something that works before my first tri on 21st April and I can spend the summer refining my technique...

WhizKid    pirate
23/03/2013 at 16:52
Practise practise makes perfect (but do get your technique looked at as this doing bad technique is not the answer) with all this crappy weather I've been focusing a lot in swimming and mainly my pull and catch, as it was a bit lazy... Managed just shy of 10k of swimming this week with a mile pb! I am starting to think I'm now a goldfish however
Blisters    pirate
23/03/2013 at 20:35

Fantastic news all round then guys!

Jamie, please check that seat, you left behind a wet patch and some scales.

05/04/2013 at 14:47

For a bit of variety in the drills I bought some Speedo swim fins, anything to beat the boredom of following the blue line up & down up & down.

I understand they are good for building endurance, strength & burn more calories but not much good for technique.

So I wont be over using them but any drill suggestions with fins for a self confessed Mr Droopy Legs?

Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
05/04/2013 at 19:35

Hold a kickboard in front of you so that you isolate your legs, then just go up and down the pool using your legs only.

Blisters    pirate
10/04/2013 at 12:55

Bugger bugger bugger

I'm currently enduring a total ban on swimming, due to getting a very nasty ear infection. I've just completed a week's course of double dose antibiotics, ear drops and ibuprofen, but am still banned for at least another week.

I'm not sure which was worse: the alcohol ban, not being allowed to snack between meals, or missing out on swimming.

I've had about 2 weeks without training now.

10/04/2013 at 14:52

You really have got to let ear infections clear up good & proper before getting back in the water, sorry to hear you're suffering.

 

I tried out the fins today, I can see why they are recommended for endurance building!  50 metres with them felt like 500!

Blisters    pirate
10/04/2013 at 17:56

That's interesting about the fins.
I found that I simply went twice as fast in the fins for no extra effort. Maybe I don't use my legs much.

What I did find to be an effort was when I used my scuba diving fins in the same way. Sure I went 4 times as fast, but that DID make me ache!

10/04/2013 at 19:09

Fins do make you faster if your kick technique is good.  If you have the sort of technique where you go backwards then you will just be trying to go backwards faster.

When used properly fins will increase your speed but also work your muscles more so your ankles and hips will get tired.  If they are making your knees ache then you are using poor form.  You should be kicking from the hips not the knees

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