Cr@p Swimmers R Us

Swimming Support Thread

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17/10/2013 at 13:28

Ghostess says - That's exactly what I've been told BIonic Ironwolf. It's fear that's stopping me, I can't quite believe that turning my head will be sufficient to clear the water line and prevent me breathing it in

Your head will definitely clear the water.  All you have to do it look to the top of the pool edge or imagine someone walking poolside and look at their ankles.  Even better, get someone to walk along the edge of the pool and look at their ankles

As you move through the water, you create a bow wave.  When you turn to breath, your mouth is in the bow wave and so you are free to breath in.

Have a look at some Total Immersion or Swim Smooth video clips on YouTube/their websites for a clearer understanding of whatI am trying to say

As for head position, I was also told to paint my thumb nails bright red.  When I am not turning to breathe, I should be able to see my thumb nails entering the water and my eyeline should be that of my thumbs.

 

17/10/2013 at 14:10

I have been warned about looking at ladies ankles at our local pool

17/10/2013 at 14:56

Jgggg

17/10/2013 at 14:59

Don't know what happened there...

BI - I've decided to use my legs as little as possible and have ordered some paddle type things so I can concentrate on my arms. No swimming tomorrow as I've got another marathon on Sunday. Your OH does a fab IM swim time, I'm well impressed! 

JPG - don't bother looking at my ankles, very chunky and unattractive!

Blisters    pirate
17/10/2013 at 22:56

Looking at the pool boy? That gets me into trouble.

Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
18/10/2013 at 19:58

Don't want to be a wet blanket Molly but please be very very careful with the paddles, if your stroke isn't perfect and you do too much swimming with paddles you can badly damage your shoulders. Paddles do not improve your stroke per se, just your power.

18/10/2013 at 22:46

I'm just reading Total Immersion and basically it sounds like you should just learn to streamline your position in water and work on that rather than concentrate all this gadgets...which sounds like the way to do it for me...

Blisters    pirate
19/10/2013 at 00:46

The pull buoys actually do help. Use one for a few times and you will swim faster, and realise that it really is your legs hanging free that cause the drag. They help you realise (feel) the right sort of body position in the water. But, and a big but, (big butt?) don't get to rely on one.

I still can't get the hang of doing it for real without one though.

19/10/2013 at 08:24

BI - thanks for telling me, i can always put them on one side until i get better. How can i improve my upper body strength as i'm so reliant on my legs. Should i be doing weights, backstroke or just use a pull buoy (never used one because i didn't know at where to put it - knees, top part of my legs)?

19/10/2013 at 14:41

Hi there, newbie to endurance sports here but no stranger to sport in general. Definitely joining in this thread. I've just started swimming training and sweet lord I am woeful.

I can swim breastroke for ages but when I go to front crawl I'm out of breath by the end of a length.

Having researched it I think it's down to me excessively kicking my legs, so will try a buoy inbetween my thighs next time I go for a swim. If that's not the reason then I can't think what it is, my running fitness and bike fitness is fine, I just really struggle with the breathing when swimming.

Still undecided as to whether to enter triathlons or just running, but tris are much more appealing to me so I'm determined to focus on my swimming. 

tricoops    pirate
19/10/2013 at 17:09

I am a slightly worse than average swimmer in a pool but a terrible swimmer in openwater. I think it is because I keep my head higher in open water to sight, watch out for other peoples feet to get behind and to avoid loosing my teeth! This then causes my legs to sink lower and creates a lot more drag. Any tips to avoid this happening?

Iron Pugsley    pirate
19/10/2013 at 23:05

Tricoops - you're wetsuit should be giving you a good bit of buoyancy in your legs so you must be lifting your head quite high. The benefit in drafting will be lost if your legs are dragging.  Only thing I could recommend is finding clear space and using your normal pool stroke.  

Iron Pugsley    pirate
19/10/2013 at 23:08

Molly - BI is completely right on paddles!  With practice arm strength will come.  Other thing to try would be gym work; swimming is a pulling movememt so think about weight machines with pulleys where you can pull from above your head down to your hip. To avoid injury try not to cross your centre line as you pull.

You will get stronger quickly!

tricoops    pirate
19/10/2013 at 23:54

Thanks IP. Might need to work on my sighting to not lift my head so high!

GH0ST    pirate
20/10/2013 at 08:19

'morning all.

2nd visit to Tri club last night and i think it went better than last week - no panic attacks mid length any way

I got put into what can only be described as the special needs lane. But that was great because i was able to slow right down and not have any fear of holding anyone else up. Hence no panic, no exhaustion, better(well it felt it) breathing.

Blisters +1 for the pool bouy. I really felt a difference in my reach and pull through when not having to think about my legs too.

21/10/2013 at 10:54

G'morning

I'm still enjoying my time in the pool, although I'm still far from sorting out my front crawl yet.  At the moment the panicky feeling that it's never going to happen has gone which is great.

I am having the silliest problem at the moment though.  I'm just wanting to work with a simple 2 beat kick for now and I keep on driving with the wrong leg.  When I should be kicking with the right, I use the left and vice/versa.  It's not a stressy thing for me -  I'll sort it, but it's taking up so much head space while swimming that other things are going to pot.  It's just so weird to me that I can't instantly correct it by thinking about it as I swim.

On the bright side, even though things are still very much off kilter and breathing isn't smoothed out yet, I achieved a first today.  I let a swimmer who was doing a fairly fast breaststroke go first so I wouldn't spoil his swim, and though I gave him a decent head start, I accidentally caught up with him and had to apologise for catching his ankle with my hand.  DW said I was fairly smooth, no splashing, reasonably streamlined etc.. so there must be a front crawl of sorts in there somewhere waiting to be discovered.

21/10/2013 at 11:54

Hello all 'waves'. Still getting to the pool approx 3 times per week and according to my Tri club swim coach I actually look like a swimmer now!

Saturdays sessions was tough as we are focusing on technique at the moment, this weeks sessions was all about the catch and pull - my shoulders and lat's were killing me by the end. The session involved lots of sculling - both scull 1 and scull 2 (really feels like you are going nowhere), but it is supposed to improve your 'feel' for the water. All I know is by the end I had difficulty pulling myself out of the pool 

Starting to look at entering a couple of tri's for next season- would love to do a couple of sprints and they an oly July/Aug time but I am not sure if I will be up to the standard, especially as I will be marathon training again over the winter (although I am determined to keep my swimming up).

Onwards and upwards...

Iron Pugsley    pirate
21/10/2013 at 13:36

Dawn Shadow - all you are really getting with a two beat kick is balance rather than propulsion.  Instead, work with a pull buoy until you have got the upper body strength and technique and then bring the whole stroke back together.  Use a kickboard and do some leg work in the meantime so that you get the whole workout.

Legs will make a lot more sense when you have a stable and strong top half.

21/10/2013 at 15:12

Hi Pugsley and thanks, your help is much appreciated.

I totally agree, and get that the 2 beat kick is a stability thing rather than propulsion.  It's just that right at the moment I'm fine with that, or at least I would be if I could actually get it working properly and get the feeling in the water that I'm looking for.  (I do have a pull buoy and kickboard if I need to fall back on those though )

Iron Pugsley    pirate
21/10/2013 at 16:05

No worries.  Good luck with it!

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