Cyclist Safety

War on the roads?

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15/11/2013 at 16:09

I have to say that from the perspective of the pedestrian, I loathe anyone who takes a vehicle through a red light. The law's there for a reason - you can't break it just because you think you're being safer.

TheEngineer    pirate
15/11/2013 at 16:22
Peter with respect if the incident doesn't involve you, it doesn't matter what perspective you view it from - loathing someone is pretty reactionary.
15/11/2013 at 16:30

I loathe fascists too. I'd say that was progressive.

Cake    pirate
15/11/2013 at 16:37

Engineer hate to say it mate but agree with peter laws there for a reason regardless of if you’re in a car or on a bike. Saying it’s ok because your clearing the junction doesn’t justify it. It could cause a accident ever with a car or someone walking across the road.

15/11/2013 at 16:52

As a pedestrian, I've had many cyclists going through red lights get way too close to me as I cross the road.

I do understand why they find it tempting, having tried the Boris bikes when they first arrived, I found cycling less than two miles meant dealing with twelve sets of traffic lights.  Very irritating indeed.

Edited: 15/11/2013 at 16:52
15/11/2013 at 17:11

I have more hours driving in citys then riding in them, but im also a keen cyclist. I've found that for the most part it does just come down to education.  For example, my brother witnessed a car vs cyclist in Dewsbury. he overheard the driver telling the police he thought he had right of way coming onto a round about...even though the cyclist was already manouvering around the round about. But on the flip side the amount of times I've witnessed cyclist doing stupid manouvers is crazy. Half the time I am almost sure they are putting themselves in harms way on purpose. (I know no cyclist would acctualy intentionally put themself in harms way but that is howit looks on occassion)

15/11/2013 at 17:15

Given the very sensible discussion above, perhaps this forum should offer up a spokesperson.

 

 

(had to be done)

15/11/2013 at 21:28
Flat foot is right. Many people in London are just massive nobbers. On the A13 I frequently see massive tipper trucks in convey in the outside lane doing 50+ feet apart from each other. Motorbikes undertake them doing god knows what speed. Then BMWs and Audi drivers weave in and out and turn left from the right hand lanes of roundabouts and left from right hand lanes of roundabouts.

While people ride and drive aggressively there will be accidents. Big cities are full of aggressive people and people who think they are more important than everyone else.

However, accidents will happen and while cycling has increased dramatically since the Olympics, the deaths haven't. Even though it may seem like it.
15/11/2013 at 22:08
cougie wrote (see)
Wagons have beeping noises when they reverse. Would it not be wise for the big vehicles to have a 'turning left' noise ? That seems to be the most dangerous maneuver for cyclists ? If you hear that noise you know to be on your guard ?

Its very dangerous to undertake a wagon in the city. If the wagon overtakes you - then you rely on him for your safety.

As the older lorries get removed from the roads in London due to the low emmission zone and are being replaced by newer ones these 'warnings' are being built in as standard Cougie.  But I know of one fatality where the cyclist still cycled up the nearside of the lorry that was turning left, indicating to turn left AND with the 'Caution, this vehicle is turning left' blaring out!!  All witnessed by another cyclist who was shouting NOOOOO!

Most tipper lorry drivers, certainly those working for the cross rail operation in London, have to attend a two day course to 'aquaint' them with the dangers of cyclists on the roads.  

Also all commercial drivers will have to have completed a 35 hour course by the end of 2014 for their 'Certificate of Professional Competence', which they will need to carry on driving commercial vehicles after that date.  

As has been said, there really isn't the physical room to segregate lorries, cars, vans etc from cyclists in London's aging road infrastructure.  The Paris 'experiment' sounds promising and, realistically, the best option on London's streets imho.  

The cycling super highways haven't worked as they were intended to and in a couple of cases actually contributed to some serious collisions.

Blisters    pirate
15/11/2013 at 22:21

A few random thoughts. Boris the Bike Saviour? OK, on balance he has done a lot to raise the public awareness of cycling in London, and for that I applause him. However, he is still a knob at times (he's a nob by virtue of priveledge), and I give a classic example, when he was caught cycling whilst on the mobile phone. A driver tooted at him and exchanged words, and he had the dumb idea to argue that he wasn't doing anything wrong.

I live and cycle in the countryside. As a club we choose our routes to seek out quiet, yet open roads so we can get a bit of pace going. The condition of some roads are shocking. Budgets are stretched, population density means that there is more to pay per head for maintenance. We still get plenty of trucks and huge farm vehicles, it's size not volume of traffic that destroys roads. Road widths are variable, and the edge isn't always what it seems. An A road can be lovely and open, then suddenly be twisty and narrower. The vehicle behind will still be going the same speed.

So, do you ride 2x2 and create a short, tight pack, or single out and make a long winding snake? Neither approach is the right answer in all cases.

Anyway, I fell off because I wasn't concentrating hard enough. The pack was tight, I just ran off the road. Bang. The bike stopped, I hit the road hard.

15/11/2013 at 22:26

Still at least it made you more hansome Blisters!!  

PSC    pirate
15/11/2013 at 22:42
I'm surprised that the earphones-in debate hasn't crept in to the comments above. It amazes me that so many cyclists ride with music playing in their ears thereby rendering them oblivious to everyone around them. Whether walking, riding or driving we all need to be aware of each other and be a little more respectful and less angry. Easy to say, maybe not so easy to do.
Dustboy    pirate
15/11/2013 at 23:19

Lots of "frontline" comment on here. Respect to you guys who have to clear it all up. I get some of the financial backlash afterwards. It's quite frightening.

I see some of the official reports on the left turning tippers too. I want side impact proximity detectors installed with alarms in the cabs and I have banged on about this for years. But they cost, are often ignored by the  drivers and many of the cyclists don't help.

Try and make a space around your vehicle and keep it.

O.rangeCannon (kona-7)    pirate
16/11/2013 at 00:14

3 deaths on my commute route into work...... cs2 is a dogs dinner.  The new segreagated bit from bow to stratford is probably the worst bit - conflict has now moved to the lefthand junctions and now no one is looking for cyclists as the turn left accross them.

I much prefered it with just a bus lane.

 

 

The qyality of riding has to be seen to be believed.... its shocking.  3/10 always jump red lights, 3/10 always stop and the rest are sheep......  everyone hates cyclists as a rwsult - even me (and im on my bike!)  I am assertive but many go way beyond that....

 

However the quality of driving is also poor/agressive.

 

Add in people riding without lights, car drivers texting etc......

 

I think we need to get radical.

I lile the hgv ban.

Dont think we can ban busses though.

Ban the car inside the north circ/south circ?  Or at least use congestion charging?

Compulsary bike insurance - i am started to think its a good ideal

 

Licencing bikes../more enfircement.?  People on bikes think they can ride how they want with no real fear of being caught

 

Cycle lanes to all junctions go up the left by the kerb, encouraging cyclists to undertake as the filter to the front.  Add a left turning vehical thats not indicating.... ive  often got to the ASL just as the lights change and thats not good Either.  I normally go up the left only if the traffic is stationary and theres room, but ive been caught out and i think i know what im doing.

 

Should we remove cycle lanes?  They put novice cyxlists just where they should not be.

 

Its got bad enough that i wear white/floro and have the brightest most annoying lights possible....

Still going to continue riding though

16/11/2013 at 07:23

Live long and prosper Capt. Picard!!

16/11/2013 at 09:12

I'm admiring Blisters'  use of "knob" and "nob" in the same sentence

Dustboy    pirate
16/11/2013 at 11:01

I know I am a bit thick but I am not getting the TNG reference Siggy.

Enlighten this poor old fool please?

Day before yesterday, the specialist said that that my foot is likely to be six months in healing after the knob in the 4X4 parked his front wheel on the arch of my foot in September when I was stationary foot down. He wanted to teach me a lesson cos he didn't like the fact that bikes go to the front of the traffic. As long as we have that mentality in drivers, cyclists will always lose out. Luckily I had armoured boots on as I was on the motorbike. If it had been a cycle, the outcome would have been different.

Well, if this discussion keeps any of us from having a prang, it's been worth it.

16/11/2013 at 11:09

Check out the pictures of OC from the Outlaw this year...think you may see the similarity between OC and JLP, DB

Dustboy    pirate
16/11/2013 at 13:09

OK, got it, I remember OC from Outlaw 2012. Ta. Make it so OC.

18/11/2013 at 13:16

Another cyclist killed by HGV in Camberwell this morning.

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