Enduroman UK 2013

when one iron isnt quite enough

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seren nos    pirate
21/07/2012 at 21:20

i napped on the settee in the house.........but the tents were erected about 100m from the turning circle........you can be self supported but its going to take you time and organisation........

laps were 11.6 miles....spare tyres etc in your bike box.spares of everything else in your car/tent........

i had coke straight after the swim....i always do afetr open water swimming...........i think its an old wives tale that it fends of all nasties.but it has worked for me all year........

most people had a short nap....25 mins is enough............apart from those at the front end...........the bike course is one where you really need your wits about you and falling asleep on the bike isn't good idea

M...eldy    pirate
22/07/2012 at 02:34

Double IM confirmed as 1st and 2nd June according to Twitter

*this is a public service announcement and not a statement of intent

The Silent Assassin    pirate
22/07/2012 at 06:14

DK

As we are all pirates, I am currently recruiting support teams, there will be other pirates competing, we should be able share some of the support teams (stop them getting bored anyway)

I currently have 1 scottish lass, doing a massage course recruited but if there are 5/6 pirates I'm sure we can get a crack support team assembled.

22/07/2012 at 09:30
Also to add re support teams - I do not think a support team of 1 is enough, I think it should be 2 minimum and 3 preferred. This will give the support teams enough time to have a rest at times as they need their wits about them as supporters just as much as you do competing.

I would also say that they need to be people you know and I don't mean on a superficial level. They need to know your race face; need to know how to handle you, to say the right thing, to know what's right for you. It's no good having a Sherpa who will argue with you or will get upset if you bite their head off because you're tired. Similarly you need to respect them and what they can see from the outside. Whilst you may feel strong enough to do another lap, for example, they may see tiredness in you and suggest a rest break. You have to be prepared to consider their opinion and go with it if necessary

To a certain extent they have to deal with everything so that you can just concentrate on the swim, bike, and run

Disclaimer - have never done an IM, let alone a Double, nor even fully supported someone taking part. These are my musings from having been there for the last two years and seen what some of the supporters have gone through.
Symes    pirate
22/07/2012 at 09:53

Wot she said 

Lee the Pea    pirate
22/07/2012 at 10:16
The Silent Assassin wrote (see)

DK

As we are all pirates, I am currently recruiting support teams, there will be other pirates competing, we should be able share some of the support teams (stop them getting bored anyway)

I currently have 1 scottish lass, doing a massage course recruited but if there are 5/6 pirates I'm sure we can get a crack support team assembled.

 Yeah I think if there is a good group of supporters, they could be 'shared around' so to speak, so we can support a couple of folk at once. Also means one supporter can get a quick break while the others are 'on duty'.  I think Schumnks talks a lot of sense too; that's how i envisaged the relationship would work.

22/07/2012 at 10:47
I would seriously caution against having a group of supporters looking after a couple of people. There is always an element of too many chiefs, not enough indians. It may work better to allocate specific people to specific competitors; for want of a better phrase - create teams

If you do it early enough in the process working relationships can be formed and this can only lead to a better understanding of each other. Nutrition strategies, rest breaks etc. can all be planned in advance and lead to a more confident approach so that both parties know what they are doing and when.

I would worry that by having a group of people supporting there is no 'one person' for the competitor to turn to. This could lead to three or four people scurrying around trying to sort out what the competitor wants. This will not be what the competitor wants or needs. He (or she) will want to come in to bike turn round, get sorted, and be out again.
Lee the Pea    pirate
22/07/2012 at 11:08

Good points Schmunks....

purpletrilady    pirate
22/07/2012 at 14:33
M...eldy wrote (see)

Double IM confirmed as 1st and 2nd June according to Twitter

*this is a public service announcement and not a statement of intentM...eldy wrote (see)

That would be impressive two weeks after Lanza!

 

Edited: 22/07/2012 at 14:48
purpletrilady    pirate
22/07/2012 at 14:49

This was written by someone who did the Double in 2011 but it provides a good overview

http://i-must-try-harder.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/unofficial-guide-to-enduroman-uk.html

 

 

seren nos    pirate
22/07/2012 at 17:04

schmunkee talks sense........i had one main crew member and then schumkee took over when he had a 4 hour sleep break........and barley went to get the chips.......they could all help but my son was in charge and had responsibility.....................

i think it was great that there were other pirate supporters there as it meant he always had company........which on the bike leg in the night is useful to keep awake.......with the rider being away for 50 mins at a time.........and he could ask for help if needed..........

it was also great as a competitor to see all the pirates cheering you on.............it does make a hell of a difference......................but my son knew when to cheer me jup and when to praise me into keep going.............and when to tell me to stop crying and get on with it............unless you know someone well then this is hard........

but if you are fast and pretty self sufficvient then just having a backupm of others might be enough.....it does make it harder

22/07/2012 at 20:28

I think Schmunks is talking sense and Seren can back it up by being there and doing it. The support of just shouting encouragement was great even though I knew no other pirates until the night before. I got shouts not even wearing pirate gear

Schmunkee - The List Fairy wrote (see)
I would also say that they need to be people you know and I don't mean on a superficial level. They need to know your race face; need to know how to handle you, to say the right thing, to know what's right for you. It's no good having a Sherpa who will argue with you or will get upset if you bite their head off because you're tired. Similarly you need to respect them and what they can see from the outside. Whilst you may feel strong enough to do another lap, for example, they may see tiredness in you and suggest a rest break. You have to be prepared to consider their opinion and go with it if necessary 

To a certain extent they have to deal with everything so that you can just concentrate on the swim, bike, and run


I'd go with this big time. I was feeling tired at the 80 mile mark on the bike ( end lap 7 out of ten ). I had told my brother who was supporting me to have a little bit of every food ready for me just in case. He didn't really get this concept but did it anyway.  My pre race manual that I had given him had all the foods on, how to make up sports drinks bottles, correct measurements etc etc. The problem arose when I said I wanted some malt loaf. Instructions made it clear that this meant 2 pieces at a time and buttered whether I was to eat it there and then or take it in my bento bag for eating on the road. I wanted it there and then. 2 pieces in my hand joined together and buttered. Fantastic, there as I wanted. Open the 2 pieces out for ease and convenience and not fill the mouth in one go and Malt Loaf Gate started. I kicked off on him as only 1 of the pieces of malt loaf was buttered, the other dry. On video camera filmed by Mrs Chilli I can be seen looking at said piece of malt loaf and distastefully saying " What is that?? Thats no good to me!!! " whilst then throwing it to the floor with bambino Chilli no.2 saying " I'll eat it dad". Malt loaf  gate has been mentioned several times since probably never to be forgotten. We also had Brew Gate on lap 20 of the run when I completed the lap and after having a cuppa on lap 8, 12 and 16, in my mind the simple task of adding 4 and making 20 escaped him and erm well we had kick off again and a brew was waiting at lap 21!!

He said he'll help again so I can't have upset him too much but Mrs Chilli thinks I was bang out of order. Don't think I'll ask her to be my bag man ever

Edited: 22/07/2012 at 20:31
Doner Kebab    pirate
23/07/2012 at 23:59

tnx for the links Purple - made good reading and I definately want some support there after reading. I'll tap my brother at the right moment and try to get him down to support and join as an honory pirate for the day.

what lights did you lot use on the bike out of interest, in one of the reports it said something like about 900 lumens which is fecking bright, i got a 277 lumen head light and that lights up 170metres - surely that would be enough - it makes normal petzl head torches look rather feeble.

seren nos    pirate
24/07/2012 at 12:58

I went with 2 front and 2 back............one of each were flashing to help me be seen.......my main front was very powerful but cheap off deal extreme...........and i had spare battery for changing after 4 hours............you need something really strong as its not just to light up the road ahead so you see the horses on the road early...........its so you can see all the damm pothots clearly on the drive and so taht you can see all the crap on the roads...........as you get tirieder you do not want to be straining to see your path............

Lee the Pea    pirate
24/07/2012 at 15:57
seren nos wrote (see)

schmunkee talks sense........i had one main crew member and then schumkee took over when he had a 4 hour sleep break........and barley went to get the chips.......they could all help but my son was in charge and had responsibility.....................

 

Yeah that is more what I was thinking, rather than just a few folk milling about all helping.  To be able to be a good supporter, you'll need a bit of rest, whether even just for 30 mins at a time or something, but then someone will have to cover you while you rest, so need more than just one, and if there are a couple of people to provide short bouts of cover (with them knowing the drill etc. of what is expected) that would be good.  if that makes sense! Obviously as a supporter i'll work however the competitor wants, which will be determined in due course

Rafiki    pirate
24/07/2012 at 16:50

Lea - I'm glad someone at last has mentioned how tiring all this supporting can be!! These arf-letes just don't get it at times do they!! And we're normally doing with a hangover as well, which makes it sooooo much harder! We need a wee bit of a rest!!

But I will be around to lend a hand if I can

Edited: 24/07/2012 at 16:51
seren nos    pirate
24/07/2012 at 17:03

my son waited until i was on the run before sleeping...........so had to wait a hell of a long time for me

its easier on the run because if you want something and its not ready then you can run off and you are back after 1.1 miles.........but on the bike its 50 mins later and might be too late

i was knackered suppoting at Outlaw Raf........hard work.......the double is definitely  ateam event

Lee the Pea    pirate
24/07/2012 at 17:42
I know Raf, they are just so inconsiderate by constantly demanding stuff when we're trying not to throw up and just want to lie in a dark room. They're all "me me me". Honestly.....!
Monique    pirate
04/08/2012 at 09:46

Re: the expense

Dave worked out on a mile to mile ratio that if Enduroman charged the equivalent to the sprint tri at Nantwich then the entry fee would have been 7 grand. The deca is a well cheap holiday.

 

purpletrilady    pirate
19/08/2012 at 10:03

drums fingers...when the feck is it going to open to entrants ??

 

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