Enduroman UK 2013

when one iron isnt quite enough

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Doner Kebab    pirate
19/07/2012 at 19:55

whos in / thinking about it ?

im contemplating the double but need to do a bit more research and wait until they confirm the date.

Is there any other double distances out there in the UK that arent Brutal / sea swim ?


seren nos    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:06

DK i thought the date was confirmed as the weekend of 2 june...........and its the international championship so they are only going as far as the double and leaving the longer ones till 2014.......

the events are brilliantly organised.......well worth doing......


kittenkat    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:10

In all honesty, and I *know* I'm going to get in trouble for this, but Enduroman is getting synonymous with 'really' slow. I'm not talking about the deca or quin because that is a different beast altogether. But as a half, single, double and maybe even triple (don't know about the last one)

It's a 'get round' course which is never going to attract competition unless they do something about that. The cut offs are huge.

Not a criticism for what it is, but just making a point.


kittenkat    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:14

And the mass market with the disposable income is the get round and finish market now, not exclusively but to a certain degree.

Again, observation before I get lynched. No criticism...

kittenkat    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:15

Oh fuck it, you know what I'm saying.

kittenkat    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:29

And also I've seen the guys from Enduroman accept money and people on the A2A who would never be capable. Where does the moral v reality stuff kick in? What IS the fail rate for Enduro events v successes?

Why is there no vetting process, just extending cut offs to boundaries where it isn't about athletic ability at all? (But about mental strength which I agree is great)

kittenkat    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:30

But still...

kittenkat    pirate
19/07/2012 at 20:46

I think I'm on a one woman campaign to stop the culture of longer is more worthy of praise from your 'online friends'.

Firstly, it's a great support system when you'ren in it, but for most people that's less that 10% of physical contact time a year.

Secondly, any journey and get up off your arse is great, but I'm getting really pissed off with the IM 'is a better achievement' focus and shorter is less, philosophy. I'm more interested in shorter faster now because that's where there is some competition.

seren nos    pirate
19/07/2012 at 21:07

KK.have you looked at the results or gone to watch the double and triple this year.............i can't think that you did............they had some amazing athletes there.........just because they are inclusive and put on races that both the mega fast and the wanting to finish can take part in i can't see the problem...............

just because the double put you back 3 years in your run times doesn't mean that racing long is not any good............its a very personal thing..you may want to stop tri and going long....to concentrate on short distances...thats fine..but your way isn't everyones elses;..why always are you on the attack for those who want to go long........just because it doesn't suit you why put the downer on everyone else/.,.


where on here has anyone said that ironman or longer is better.....i ahven't ever read one person say that......it is isn't a competition....its doing things that individual people want to do to challenge themselves................

just because you do something doesn't make it better..............it just makes it different.......


19/07/2012 at 21:12
Well said Seren.
Doner Kebab    pirate
19/07/2012 at 21:59

im not offended by KK's remarks at all. in fact i kind of agree with the longer isnt better attitude.

If KK remembers i even said at the outlaw that I was actually going to concentrate on going shorter and faster in 2013, This is still going to happen, I think it is well in my ability do sprint distance well and still chug around long distance without being  the last one home or have to chase cutoffs.

I mean no offence to people that did the outlaw at close to cut off times but in all honesty i found it quite easy, yes my time was utter crap from what i wanted, i was after a sub 12 and got a 12:46, i learned alot about my nutrition on the bike - or lack of - on the day and wont make them same mistakes, drinking with GB the night before wasnt the best idea either. my mara fell apart and i finished up walking it and still made a sub 13. I was so pissed off with myself that when i got home i signed up for a self imposed arse kicking by entering the grimreaper ultra 70 miler, as the facebook mob will know . i only ever done 1 marathon before and the outlaw run but i know i beat a few of the ultra guys that had a lot more experience than me just 12 days after doing the outlaw. I seem to be equipped for long distance better than i thought.

So its with these findings that i find myself torn between 

1 - i would love to dedicate more time to improving at shorter distances knowing that i can improve a lot on my middle of the pack placings

2 - i would love to go long - really long, and not at a slugs pace, my finish place in the grim was in the top 25% with no relevant training 

this is why i agree with KK - for me being fast (for an fattie forty year old) is a prime objective, im dont want to chase cut offs, i just want the opportunity to get better and place higher in the type of distance im most suited.

if you read all that you must be bored to death, and for that im sorry 

Doner Kebab    pirate
19/07/2012 at 22:00


"Enduroman are currently in talks with Avon Tyrrell to secure the grounds for the 2013 event"

ill be asking you loads of stuff i thinks   


IronCat5    pirate
19/07/2012 at 22:14

Each to their own I say. I'm going to go shorter and faster next year, when I get my mojo back.

You do have an advantage in that you don't know when to stop. Your Outlaw training was steady, and we all had to enforce rest days on you.Well done on the Ultra, and good luck.

Shame that VT'd already has a mentor too, it would have been good to see you two pair up for next year.



VT'd    pirate
19/07/2012 at 22:16

I read it DK and I neither agree or disagree, whatever floats your boat I say. 

What I do think is that I'm admiration of your effort, good on yer.

Ironholgs    pirate
19/07/2012 at 22:57

I think KK's opinion is quite a common one from people at the fast end of things, and I understand it. Personally I would love to both go very long and do short very fast.

I think only an individual can decided what their own ambitions are, long, short,middle, whatever.

I love Ironman distance, but I'd encourage anyone to do any distance that they'd find challenging, certainly don't think Ironman is the be all and end all, and certainly don't think as an Ironman I'm better than anyone that's just done their first sprint. I was once there.

I don't earn a lot of money, but I like to spend some of it on racing long, I'm certainly not quick either - being slow I'm getting better value for my entry fee


Doner Kebab    pirate
19/07/2012 at 23:00

hehe   thanks cat - i think, i wouldnt think im qualified to mentor anyone as im still in my first season really , but next year is going to be interesting, cant wait to get training for sprints, different ball game altogether. And tnx - the ultra went beyond expectation and i actually feel like doing another one next week but im going to be sensible and wait until mid august if i can get in one

thats exactly it VT - is a personal choice for everyone out there doing their thing. I have so much admiration for the people that enter these races and know full well that they could be pulled from the race at any minute. I think that the slower ones have a lot more determination than i will ever have, if i thought I would be that close to cut offs i wouldnt enter the event - for that matter even if i thought i was going to be in the last 25% i would seriously have doubts about entering. But its definitely a mindset thing. 

VT'd    pirate
19/07/2012 at 23:11

 @Cat.  DK could only work with me for about the same 5 mins it took him to empty my transition bags at Outlaw.  All that careful and meticulous packing:

Me:  'What d'ya think DK?'

DK:  'WTF!  Ditch that. Ditch those.  You'll not be needing that. Why have you got two of those?  You'll feckin roast with that on.  Who told you to wear that? Ditch it.'

Me:  But there's feck all left in my bag!


Doner Kebab    pirate
19/07/2012 at 23:19

yep    now tell them them what i told you to ditch that would make you roast   lol 

it was a really nice, thick winter cycling jacket iirc    oh and the winter gloves...

and a bag of pork pies FFS!!!!


Doner Kebab    pirate
19/07/2012 at 23:22

holgs - thats why i strategically fecked up my biking nitrition- i really wanted to blow up in the run so to get my monies worth, its a bloody good excuse and one that i will stand by.  

VT'd    pirate
19/07/2012 at 23:26

LOL better looking at it than looking for it.  Pork pies?  I also wonder why I had those, I've never finished a pork pie in my life!

Pity you weren't there when I forgot my Garmin.  I'd have done your head in with asking for total time and miles all way round. 

In fact I even remember asking you at the end of the swim how long it took us.

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