Fatman to Ironman

In all seriousness, it depends how far you are wanting to go
Are you wanting specific places and times
Are you wanting to be free to roam?

The trains can be cheap if booked in advance but you are tied to date and time
Cheap airlines for longer distance travel - less luggage ??
Hire car .. yes possibly as it leaves you free to act on whim

Melds - what do you mean don't pick up the injury gauntlet, too bloody late!!  It *is* feeling a bit less sore today, so at least I can see progress already

Stretch and roll and dont forget the calfs !!

I'm a Type A Melds so...I'm more of a specific plan it out type.  My wife is more of an on the fly type.  Just thinking out loud I was thinking arrive in Amsterdam, head over to my pal's house in Rotterdam, spent a couple days in Holland.  Then perhaps go into Paris then over to the UK.  But as I said, Holland is so close to everything, I'm wondering if I should hit Germany or Belgium as well.  Of course, I need to be in the UK for Boxing Day for some football.  So once I get to the UK, do we rent a car and explore? Take a train and a ferry over to Ireland after the footie?

Melds I have done my physio exercises like a good girl

IY - if you're going to be in Holland, then nip over to Germany and visit one of the Christmas markets. we did this year and much mulled wine and sausage was consumed

Good girl 

Yank, sounds like some list writing & planning needed  !!

You see Melds, that requires work. I just want my new travel agent who goes by the handle M...eldy to plan it all out!

Oh dear!!

Watchit Willum!!!!

North? As in Manchester and such or that country filled with Scots? (I'm actually saying the line from Braveheart out loud )

So Holland is about the height of Massachusetts, and very thin.

• Land at Amsterdam, overnight to experience, then off to Rotters.
• Drive South to Aachen (Dutch border) to a Christmas market. Stay overnight.
• Drive to Belgium for piss up on 10% beer.
• Day after: drive to Paris via Luxembourg or drive back to AMS then fly to Paris.
• Fly from Paris to London.

Job done!

Perhaps I have a new travel agent.  Has the Cat usurped Melds?

I'd like to see some places I haven't seen.  I especially like to experience things I can't experience on this side of the pond, which I know is getting more difficult with globalization.  I also have to think about my daughter, who has only been to Sweden in Europe so most everything will be new to her.  The Christmas market sounds interesting. 

Would it be worth a drive from AMS to Paris to enjoy the sights or is just as easy/cost effective to hop a flight?

SD! I'd slug you but I might drop my cheeseburger and accidentally fire my gun.  I'm holding both right now!

But you know what I mean.  Europe for the most part is just old relative to the US so all those great churches, art museums, etc. are things I can't usually see over here.