Fink for outlaw 2013

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Rafiki    pirate
20/12/2012 at 13:17

Sweetfeet - why dodn't you just calculate the Heart Rate Zones based on what you think you MHR actually is?

Here's a few other methods to calculate MHR:

20/12/2012 at 15:22

long bike done today on turbo trainer as had some free time and an empty house

seren nos    pirate
20/12/2012 at 16:07

just cross trained with another game of squash as my OH is off work just for today.............thinking about getting the turbo out.... the weather is not encouraging the bike riding..

20/12/2012 at 17:53

sweetfeet - your MHR is whatever it is - I took mine as the highest reading I'd ever seen at the end of a race and added a couple of bpm as I hadn't actually thrown up. If you race wearing your HRM you should see some likely numbers, sometimes a minute or two after you cross the line having sprinted for it.

TR - that sounds about right. I allow ten minutes for warming up and aim to have my actual HR in Z2 bu the end of that and then spin easy for the last five minutes so that's a quarter of an hour long session which is under Z2 but the AHR at the end needs to be there.

EP - if you're too ill to run then you're too ill to turbo as that needs to raise your HR if it's to have any benefit.

seren nos    pirate
20/12/2012 at 18:24

Just forced myself to get on the 30 min turbo when i spent the time begging my hubby to go out for the 15 min run with me....even though he had just eaten his dinner...............

it worked and so brick session completed and ticked off plan

Red_dog_chris    pirate
20/12/2012 at 20:48
45 min spin session at gym, not zone 2 :-!
20/12/2012 at 21:25

LMH - ah I get it, the session inc w/u and w/d has to fit in the HR zone. I only just scraped into zn 2 today then, but I did do 2hrs. My HR is silly low in the w/u though.

Sweetfeet - I note your IMAustria choice, no more potential hypothermia in the New Forest then ?  You could run soem flat out hill reps to get a max HR, but you should be able to guesstimate it and even if you are a few beats out it probably doesnt matter.

Seren - are you running VLM ? how does this fit with the Fink plan, do you stop Finking for a while and do a marathon specific block  ? I do my own thing built around a few run commutes but then put a bit more marathon specific work in during March time.

20/12/2012 at 22:46

I am doing Llanelli mara as part of the Fink training, I will be racing it, just easing back the training the week before, personally I don't see why you would need to switch to a marathon specific block, I see better times when cross training so you can train with more intensity rather than just running.

Britrisky    pirate
20/12/2012 at 23:19
Wore HRM monitor for brick sesh - good job I did - needed much more resistance to get into z2, but was ok once I got used to it.

So, cycling done, 2 more runs and one swim to go ... Loving this

PBd in pool today, and felt really fresh after
sweetfeet...    pirate
20/12/2012 at 23:52

Thanks TR although that was a freak day wasnt it

VLM v IMA for me is treat VLM as a long training run. I took the five-decline place at VLM as I love that event and an opportunity to run it again can't be refused. I will try and limit how much I let it impact the Fink schedule. At least Monday is rest day

IMA is the 'A' race for 2013. (first Bmth mara in Oct = A- and VLM = B).

Thanks for the max HR advice I need to reset my zones I think.

Swim set #1 again tonight for me. Those 12 x 100s @ 20 sec in the middle are quite challenging if you give it full beans. I'm just hoping it is making me a better swimmer.

21/12/2012 at 07:18
Wow, first check in for the best part of a week and everyone is going great guns.

So far managed to follow the plan religiously, except for swimming. I have only managed to get to the pool twice in 2 weeks so definitely need to ip my game there. In that department, any drills people can recommend for hand entry and catch with my weaker side. I do everything with my right hand (smut alert) and find that unless I make s real effort my left hand is doing little more than laying on the water on that half of the stroke.

All my bike sessions are on the turbo and I can't see that changing until at least Feb unless this crap weather changes. However, I do pick up my shiny new TT bike tomorrow so I can turbo and imagine eating up the Nottinghamshire countryside!
seren nos    pirate
21/12/2012 at 07:37

TR.I'm planning on doing llanelli marathon as well.but will leave entering until late as if I am not in PB form or  think that it will mess my Ironman training them i will bin it........

I will not be following Fink to the letter but will be using it as my bases...........I will do all my runs slowly apart from Park runs if i get back into them in the new year or cross country races..........

so once a week i will HR Zone 4 and the rest will be ! and 2 on the runs

Last year i was out on my bike 2/3 times a week every week......even if it was my hybrid.finding it hard this year to get my arse through the door..........mind last year it was very dry for the beginning part of the year...and this year we are having rain everyday

21/12/2012 at 08:02

Stanners - you could try chicken wings and finger tip drag if arm and hand position are your issues.

Sounds good britrisky - had a thought about your cycling problem yesterday - do you have a women's specific saddle? I did find that helped a little.

EP - what's the difference between raising your HR into Z2 on the bike or running? If you're well enough to train - get on with it - if you're not - get better first and rest is going to be the quickest way to do that.

Edited: 21/12/2012 at 08:03
21/12/2012 at 09:00

BrokebutTri'ng - you are probably overall fitter due to the cross training of Tri, but you wont run an optimum marathon off it regardless if you can put more intensity into your running or not. Top marathon runners run, they dont swim/bike/run. Running intensity rarely features in a marathon build up for me, but a bit more run frequency and the associated miles make a big difference to how my legs cope on the day. You might be a bit nearer to the pointy end of marathons than me though.

Sweetfeet - you couldnt turn that VLM place down then, taking it as a training run will probably enable you to enjoy the day more, taking part in VLM is teh closest I'll ever get to a Tour De France type atmosphere on race day. B'mth marathon noted by me too. I already have a date with Sandyballs again though.

Seren - I like that marathon plan, slow running miles topped off with Parkruns or XC races. Nearer marathon time if you can make a couple of your running days double days with something like another 5M run this really helps your running legs. I only run 3 or 4 days a week in marathon build up but they are all commuting doubles apart from the long run.
I have to bike early mornings so apart from some MTB commute miles then I'm pretty much turbo bound, with the odd weekend ride if its not icy early or flooded (more apt at  the mo). But Turbo is good for me as it works me hard.

21/12/2012 at 09:16

1 hour turbo last night and 1hr run in the pitch black this morning.

Neck is still sore but no worse so will just carry on and wait it out.

Next week will be very off plan and after that I shall get back on track.

I'm another who has to put effort in on the turbo in order to get my heart rate up to Z2, I'm such a coaster. Going to upload garmin in a bit and see how I did.

21/12/2012 at 12:27

Seren are you Parkrunning this tomorrow? I am thinking about popping down to CF to have a look what its all about. If I can get my arse out of bed that is 

sweetfeet...    pirate
21/12/2012 at 13:34

Stanners I would suggest some intensive one-arm work on the weaker arm. Helps you learn to breathe both sides too which I struggle with. Plus what LMH recommends. You'll go twice as quick if you get the other side going.

seren nos    pirate
21/12/2012 at 14:23

Broke.i was going to go to newport patk run.but i haven't managed to get myself an elf will probably just go out early with my OH for a long run.............we should be at CF Parkrun on Christmas day

21/12/2012 at 16:48

1 hour run done today.  am on track for this week - except i missed a swim session .

sweetfeet - what's LMH?

seren nos    pirate
21/12/2012 at 16:54

LMH.abbreviation for Little Miss Happy

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