good swim session needed

advice from you experienced boys and girls!

14 messages
01/06/2004 at 13:41
currently swimming 4 times a wk before work.have built up to a mile each session.i enjoy it enormously but would like to build up speed.
any advice as to how i can use this session productively as i now feel i'm swimming the running equivalent of "junk miles".
01/06/2004 at 13:48
Hi Travis,

You could try doing 100m swims. Good if your pool has a seconds clock to time yourself. See what you come in on and then give yourself 30secs rest and off go again, trying to maintain your first time that you came in on. Start with 6 and build up.
Then perhaps go to 200m.

Where do you swim, I know you are near me?
01/06/2004 at 13:49
You need to add in teh equivalent of a track session a week - something like:

warm up (400m, nice an easy, include drills)
10x100m
200m cool down

How fast you do the 100s depends on how fast you swim - you want to be doing them fast but sustainable, so your 10th is the same speed as your 1st, and you want 10-15s rest inbetween.

You can either do them on a RI (rest interval) or SI (swim interval) - so I might do them

10x100 on 2:05 SI (which means 2:1o to do teh swim and the rest, no matter how long it takes you to do the swim)

or

10x100 15s RI - which means just swim it then take 15s rest

I think doing them on a SI is best....

But you could do 200s, 400s, a couple of 800s...whatever

Or if you want to really go for it you could do a pyramid like

4x100
2x200
1x400
2x200
1x100

the possibilities are endless..

but they will all teach you to work anaerobically, which will get a bit of speed under your belt..

Just like a track session in a week of LSD runs.
01/06/2004 at 13:50
Oh...typed too slowly again... :-D
01/06/2004 at 13:53
good sessions there Nic!
01/06/2004 at 13:58
*bow*

ta! :-)

Mermaid do you swim with a club anymore (not that type of club, I'm just a baby seal), or do you just do your own thing?
01/06/2004 at 14:02
starting with club again, only a few weeks ago, I like to race in training and can only really do that with a club. It's good for mental training too. Even tho I have all my sessions written down from the diaries I kept and have started up again.

I'm tryin out a new club tonite, don't feel too settled in the one I left, and just started with again, it could be falling apart, they are looking to knock down the pool, so going to check out a bigger club tonite.

01/06/2004 at 14:13
thanks, mermaid,dr.nic,
knew the girls would come up trumps!!
dr,nic, great advice ,i shall follow it up.do you recommmend the speed session once a wk only?

mermaid,
luckily we have a good 33m poo under the college where i work.(WFC)so 9i get in there early,7.30, and have been doing a session on the advice of my physio.having built it up gradually over the lsst month i need to put some variety to improve speed,hence the posting.
01/06/2004 at 14:19
It is useful to look back on past sessions isn't it M?

Good luck with the club, I think they are invaluable to train with. Am about to leave mine this week (moving cities) so hope to find another good un!

TB, go for it. More than once a week if you can but jsut as with running you need to get the balance right and not knacker yourself!

I find this good....:

Waterproof book of swim sets!

But all the sessions are quite long so may look intimidating to a novice (apols if you are not!!) - you can always only do a few reps rather than the whole lot.




01/06/2004 at 14:24
cheers doc,
will try once a wk to begin with.i am running about 4 times a wk too so am getting used to the demands of both run and swim.find that running after a swim is a lot harder than running first.anyone agree?but the swim sessions have improved my lung capacity so the faster runs are getting easier.
01/06/2004 at 14:27
Good for you. Hope it goes well! :-)
01/06/2004 at 15:14
Nic, use them more as motivational tools, looking thru the ups and downs.

Travis, know WFC well. It's a good pool for training. Good luck with the training and glad you've found the water of benefit.

I'm looking to go on a Watsu (Shiatsu in Water) course, therapeutic water massage, which I'm really excited about, later this year.





01/06/2004 at 15:44
TB - I'm just introducing reps into my swimming, but it is early days at the moment and as a result I have no idea how much effort to put into (say) 50m compared to 400m - I tend to go off too fast or too slow.

But I've been doing a session (suggeted by 220 mag) which helps ...

1x50 (15 secs rest)
1x100 (15 secs rest)
1x150 (15 secs rest)
1x200 (15 secs rest)
3 minutes rest
... and repeat

This session (just 1000m, excluding warm up/down) makes me more tired than swimming a mile! So it has got to be working ...
01/06/2004 at 16:16
i nearly always do mix stroke sessions, but when i do all front crawl it is quite a good for speed with stamina to do say 400 w/up as 200 swim, 50 kick, 50 pull, 100 swim, then get into a set of maybe 8 x 100 and then put some sprints at the end - say 4 x 50 , then 4 x 25? then cool down with a couple of hundred mixed kick and easy swimming.

Don't know what times you do, but as a guide I come in on my 100's about 1.25, and usually would do the 8 on 1.45 (swim interval as nic said, ie if i swim slower i get less rest = more incentive) so giving myself about 20 s rest between each. If i'm feeling nasty i would go on 1.35, but i'd usually feel sick by the end.

The sprints i usually do the 50's on either 50s or a minute, and would come in on about 40s, so again 10-20s rest. The 25's would go on 30s, so 10s rest ish.

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