Ironman on low volume training.

Please discuss.

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13/05/2007 at 16:27
Mainly due to injury my training for IMA has been pretty poor. However, I am now in a position where my knee can tolerate an increase in training volume.
With IMA 8 weeks today my plan is to gradually increase long bike from around 3 hours to hopefully peak at around 5 hours in 6 weeks week time. With regards to running, its not realistic to expect to run whole marathon, so will incorporate a run/walk strategy in my training buiding up from current long run of 75 mins to hopefully a run/walk of 2.5 hours in around 6 weeks time.
Im not reaaly worried about swimming as I have done more swimming than I did last year and am swimming a bit faster too.
For those who have completed an Ironman on low volume training, is my training plan sound for a "get me round race plan", obviously not expecting peal performance .
I suspect a 10 day taper would be ok after this traing and not the normal 3 weeks would be required.
Any thoughts?
13/05/2007 at 16:36
Foggy, I am no expert but, yes. The human body is capable of amazing things when the mind is right, you will get around and you might surprise yourself with your time.
Iron Mike    pirate
13/05/2007 at 16:40
I think you should aim to peak a bit higher on the bike if possible. If you are going to be out on the course for 6-7 hours, then in my mind, this is the sort of time you need to get to in training.

However, having said that, you have been unlucky with injury from the sounds of things, and if that is an unrealistic target, then do what you can. I would suggest you focus the majority of your efforts on cycling in the coming weeks. This is because you are planning on run/walking the marathon anyway, and with a recovering knee, cycling is far more of a low impact sport than running is. If time permits, could you do two longish bikes a week? One long one on the weekend and then one at about 75% of that distance mid week?
13/05/2007 at 16:50
Mike, I know 6 to 7 hours would be better, but I am worried that increasing volume too quickly would increase chance of getting injured again. I can do 2 long bikes a week as I normally have a day off mid week, but would still have to fit long run in.

I probably could do a basic week like this.

Mon, Rest or swim
Tue.Run am
Wed. Swim and long bike
Thur. Easy bike pm
Fri. Run am
Sat. Medium bike.
Sun. Swim and long run/ walk
13/05/2007 at 17:44
Having trained for an ultra with a run/walk strategy my advice would be to decide on your timings (how much of each you're going to do) and practice it, rather than running and walking when you feel like it. A watch with an interval timer that beeps is very useful for this.
Imeccentric    pirate
13/05/2007 at 18:45
Foggs , you can make it on that volume dude , Mikes right that getting the odd ride at 6 or 7 worth it but last year I did a 6.20 bike split with only 2 6 hr rides before the race (and therefore ever!) .

If you are going to run walk then 2.30 on the run probably a maximum , you might want to think of even lowering this if it means you can get some more bike volume in?
Kanga M    pirate
13/05/2007 at 20:19
Cheer up Foggy, you'll still finish ahead of me :)
13/05/2007 at 20:24
7 hours bike training! That's a kiler for recovery and far too much for somesome coming back from injury!!!

Runs over 2 hours are where the real body damage is done. If you are coming off injury, try a brick every time to get the aerobic benefit and then running when tired.

I think we've seen a umber of people perfom with determination on very low volumes
Plum    pirate
13/05/2007 at 21:09
Wanders in ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, wanders out again
Iron Mike    pirate
13/05/2007 at 21:14
Which is why i put the caveat beneath it gumps...If foggy felt it was possible to do that then cool. As he has said, its not, and yes he will be fine on far less training. Good luck mate, see you out there.
14/05/2007 at 05:46
I will be adding some time each week to my long bikes and runs and hopefully build my distance, but time is not on my side as its less than 8 weeks now.
I need to arrive at the start uninjured, so will not ramp up to quick. If I am undertrained i sill have a chance of getting round.
Thanks for your input.
AndrewSmith    pirate
14/05/2007 at 08:26
Ahhh, a serious training thread at last :o)
14/05/2007 at 18:09
NO!!!! Lack of serious training thread.!!
14/05/2007 at 19:49
<lurk waiting to crib "training" plan>
14/05/2007 at 20:06
please remove this thread, as it may encourage me to bring my bike and wetsuit along to my lazy holiday in austria.
Kanga M    pirate
14/07/2007 at 11:57
Foggy - did you get the bronze medal for IMA sandbagging ?

What's your excuse for the Vit ? :D

I intend to perfect my training free regime !
Doozer.    pirate
14/07/2007 at 12:04
you did very well on it this year roomie
Kanga M    pirate
14/07/2007 at 12:36
Planning on going sub-3 for the Vit, assuming of course I don't DNF ;-)
14/07/2007 at 20:43
Hi Foggy,

I think anyone can get round an ironman well on 8-10hrs/week average as long as you plan it well.
Don't worry to much about the distances now. If I was you I'd def work up th ebike distance to a good 5-6hrs if poss BUT dont go hard. Just get yourself mentally used to the distance, practise nutrition and most importantly get the engine used to running low on fuel.
As for the run, I'd suggest doing the two-run/day strategy. A couple of 9-11milers (am and eve) will be less damaging than one long run....and you can get the muscles used to working fatigued.
M...eldy    pirate
14/07/2007 at 20:44
too late Daz ... he finished it last Sunday!
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