Lance folds on drug charges

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24/08/2012 at 15:46

I don't see how, if LA doesn't contest the charges at this stage, that CAS could be involved.  Surely it's like any other judicial process where if (without good reason) you don't participate at first instance, you won't be allowed to appeal?

24/08/2012 at 16:25

If I was paying attention correctly this morning (it was early), USADA has no authority to strip LA of his TdF title, that lies within the remit of UCI- it's that battle (if it starts) which could find its way to CAS.

24/08/2012 at 16:28

But surely if the reason the title is taken away is because of findings by USADA that LA doped, LA couldn't complain that UCI had adopted the USADA findings because he hadn't taken the chance he had to challenge the evidence relied on by USADA?

24/08/2012 at 16:31

Sorry, I'm not making it very clear- my understanding is it would be UCI opposing USADA at the CAS over who had the ability to strip LA of the title- the gentleman in question would not be involved in the proceedings. 

Edit: to hopefully fix the grammar

Edited: 24/08/2012 at 16:35
24/08/2012 at 16:54

Shame, wonder will it affect the "charity" side of Lance with Livestrong.....will they edit him out of Dodgeball as well.

24/08/2012 at 17:00

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-wont-fight-usada-charges

Article gives some of the arguments about who has the rights to do what.

24/08/2012 at 17:19

Stripping Armstrong of TDF titles is just a load of cac. What's the point apart from sticking one on a guy who's happened to make millions of dollars riding a bike. You may as well say history never happened. 

I've had an idea! lets get a picture of someone burning a copy of Armstrongs book 'its not about the bike'.  In the words of Hugh Porter, "Lance Armstrong is on fire!!!".

FoC
24/08/2012 at 17:32

As has already been said elsewhere, if Lance is stripped of his wins I would like to see the titles unassigned which offers a strong statement while affording (perhaps) a modicum of closure for the time period of the two speed peleton.

24/08/2012 at 17:44

from the UCI:

"The UCI will now await the “reasoned decision” which the USADA must issue as the next step in its anti-doping case against Lance Armstrong. Only then will the international federation have a further comment on the case, it said.

In a statement issued Friday afternoon, the UCI said that it noted Armstrong's decision not to go to arbitration, and also that USADA is reported to have said it will strip Armstrong of his results since 1998 and give him a lifetime ban.

The UCI cited the World Anti Doping Code article which “states that where no hearing occurs the Anti-Doping Organisation with results management responsibility shall submit to the parties concerned (Mr Armstrong, WADA and UCI) a reasoned decision explaining the action taken.”

It went on to say that it “expects that it will issue a reasoned decision in accordance with Article 8.3 of the Code."

so if the UCI don't like what USADA says - and bearing in mind that UCI were to an extent backing LA in his case against them - then expect the CAS to come into play.

it ain't over yet

FoC
24/08/2012 at 17:46

So onwards to CAS?

Should be nicely cleared up circa 2023.....

24/08/2012 at 17:56

2ps on this :

- I think it's silly to trust LA's former teammates as base for accusation.

- Barne Rijs admitted doping in 1996 and he is still declared the winner.

- Is Jan Ulrih, who is at least "not very clean" going to be declared winner of 3 tours?

Ref. I heard that Cavendish and Wiggins, the Sky team trained in the Teide mountain in the canaries where no bio-passport test can be taken. Not saying they are not clean but they could do something naughty if the wanted.

24/08/2012 at 18:42

Interesting interview this evening on Radio 4 with the former Doping Chief of TdF.  He stated that only UCI can 'strip' him.  Pretty much poo pooed everything that USADA have said and done.  

Going to turn into a big battle between USADA and UCI from the sounds of it ...

24/08/2012 at 20:17

I've come to the conclusion that if they throw out all those that partook of the substances they would have to give the titles to the bloke driving the Autobus

cougie    pirate
24/08/2012 at 22:22
Jose - why do you say that about the canaries ?
TR
24/08/2012 at 23:00

I'm not sure of the full extent of what his cancer battle did to his body, but I used to wonder given Lance's battle with Testicular cancer if he had to take snythetic Testosterone just to be "male ", a guy I work with has to, which happens if someone cant produce his own anymore. I find it strange that this never gets mentioned, and if he does have to then how would they distinguish between what would be legal or illegal.

cougie    pirate
24/08/2012 at 23:10
That wouldn't be allowed. Boardman had a similar problem - but you can't take artificial testosterone even if your natural levels are low. Boardman retired - partly because of that.
The Silent Assassin    pirate
28/09/2012 at 14:44

And so it starts again

The UCI have expressed concerned that they still haven't seem the papers, the USADA say they are still "gathering evidence"

How can they strip Lance of his title when they are still "gathering evidence"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19749763

 

28/09/2012 at 14:57

USADA can't strip him of his medals, can they?

cougie    pirate
28/09/2012 at 15:39
No they can't - the uci has to based on the evidence from USADA.
Lee the Pea    pirate
28/09/2012 at 15:51
The Silent Assassin wrote (see)

And so it starts again

The UCI have expressed concerned that they still haven't seem the papers, the USADA say they are still "gathering evidence"

How can they strip Lance of his title when they are still "gathering evidence"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19749763

 

I was just thinking the other day that no evidence was suddenly produced after Lance stopped contesting.  Funny that......  The whole thing is a shambles. The longer they take to produce this 'evidence' the less likely it seems that there is anything concrete

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