Mentors and Mentee's thread 2014

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18/01/2014 at 19:29

Bounce for this one. I'm training like a dick, 45 mile run last Saturday, marathon next Sunday as part of a holiday to Gran Canaria with my brother which will involve cycling, eating and drinking. Is there any training plan anywhere which allows running every day as I'm struggling not to? A bit like looking at weather forecasts, keep going until you find one which suits you. First IM is in June, when should I be swimming the full distance? 

flyaway    pirate
19/01/2014 at 08:52

One approach would be to start off thinking about your goals. What and when are your races and what do you want to get out of them? For example, do you just want to finish, would you like a particular time, overall or on one of the disciplines? Or do you just want to have fun, swim, run and bike and race?

If you want to get faster, what does this mean for you in practice? For example, if it's the swim, do you need to invest in lessons/analysis? Do you just need to commit to swimming more frequently, or a greater distance or do you need more focus when you're at the pool? 

What is getting in the way of your goals? It sounds like you run a lot - every day is far more than necessary for IM training. But if the A goal is to have fun/ do what you enjoy, then maybe this doesn't matter. It's probably (almost definitely! ) not conducive to improving your bike, swim or overall IM time though. So to answer that Q, no, probably  no plans have running every day. It's high impact and takes a fair bit out of you.

Once you know what you need to do, it's a question of how to get there. Do you think you need a plan? Did you follow one last year? Can you adapt it or have your circumstances changed?

Swimming the distance - how far are you swimming now? You should be comfortable doing 2km sessions a couple (2-3) times a week, certainly. 3k by the end of April. I think there's limited value to swimming 3.8km in the pool too many times, although it's good for your confidence to know you can.

Have you ever looked at the beginner triathlete programs?  I'm sure you wouldn't have to start from week 1, but you could look them over and use them as a guide perhaps?

Ultimately, it's about you, and enjoying what you do, but you have to realise that you only get out what you put in, and the run is only a part of the IM. 

Sorry for the waffle. Edited for typos (Damn phone)

Edited: 19/01/2014 at 08:57
19/01/2014 at 12:48

Thanks flyaway, much appreciated. For the first IM in June it's for fun as the hills mean that my time will be slow, I did the half last year in 6.11. In August I want a 12.15 after going 12.46 last year but in a hideous sea swim which took 1.46 rather than the 1.20 I was hoping for. I'm swimming 2K OK in the pool, but am having lessons again to correct my manic stroke so my instructor doesn't want me doing too much long stuff, more drill work. Last year I was part of a study group and was following their schedule, but had to put more running in as I was going backwards, settled on5 days a week but a couple were short brick sessions. I didn't enjoy that plan so want to do something different this year, as I've got a pretty good base I don't want to start from scratch. 

flyaway    pirate
19/01/2014 at 17:27

How does 12:15 break down? 1.5/6.25/4.5? 

In what way do you feel you went backwards? You shouldn't need to run 5 times a week to maintain or improve. What sort of runs were you doing? What was your IM run split? You might have to have an honest look - were a lot of them fairly pointless runs? Did you do the quality sessions, or did you just run a lot of miles? If you run less, you'll have more energy for the run sessions you do and also for the other disciplines so you can actually get fitter/faster. 

It can be hard to reduce what we enjoy, but I feel quite strongly that if you want to perform your best, you'll have to give up some of that running. Oh, and make sure you have a proper rest after next Sunday. Suspect you can refuel in a fairly pleasant way at least! !

19/01/2014 at 18:00

Should be able to do 1.20, 6.20, 4.15, with some time for changing and proper loo breaks, none of this peeing on the go nonsense. Barcelona was 1.45, 6.25, 4.20. Swim was terrible after storms, bike was good, now I know how the run feels I can push harder. I was running 60 miles a week in 2012, with 14 marathons/ultras, and down to 35 ish in 2013. I ran a marathon in April and it was awful, so upping the mileage again helped, I run a club track session, longish, and a Few 6 to 8 milers with some tempo or intervals thrown in, junk miles felt like the easy ones on the brick. I am bloody good at refuelling, but find a run the morning after a marathon and spin to flush the legs out in the evening the best recovery, then track on a Tuesday night to get the pace back.

flyaway    pirate
19/01/2014 at 21:01

Not sure I can add much more. You cant run train like you're marathon training, while you're IM training, if that makes any sense. Not if you want to IM train "well", anyway. On the other hand, your target isnt massively ambitious (you may well hit it even if you train the same this year as last year, simply through experience, providing you dont get injured) and I think we should spend our free time, money and energy doing what makes us happy. If running a lot makes you happy, who am I to try to convince you to do something different?

Maybe someone else's opinion? (someone? anyone? Bueller?)
This opinion is the same as mine which probably wont come as a major shock to anyone. Or, technically, mine is the same as that. Whichever.

19/01/2014 at 21:39

Oh god, does this mean I am the Bueller of the IM world, right, I'm listening, simply to save me from the 80s hairdos! Thanks flyaway. Fink is the only plan I've heard of, mainly because I know sweet FA about triathlon, anything you would recommend?

flyaway    pirate
19/01/2014 at 21:56

No, I just thought it was kinda quiet in here. Everyone else was probably out running

The only plan I've ever followed is the beginnertriathlete one, although I can't pretend tthat culminated in a particularly impressive race. I make up my own. I don't personally rate Fink all that much, but his plans do at least have a balance betwixt swim, bike and run! 

I'm sure you know more than you think. You've done an IM, which means you trained for an IM, so assuming you weren't asleep through the process, you probably gained a fair bit of knowledge. Swim a fair bit, bike a lot and run less than you are?

19/01/2014 at 22:08

Sounds like a plan! And no, not asleep during any of it, another enduring problem/opportunity in that 5 hours a night is the maximum, downside is it makes me even hungrier.

21/02/2014 at 13:50

I'd love a mentor if anyone hasn't committed yet, I've stupidly signed up to IM at Bolton with no triathlon experience whatsoever, signed up for a couple of smaller races beforehand but struggling a bit now with motivation and getting a bit disheartened some days.  Using the fink book but not really understanding heart rates and stuff.  Any help and kick up the arse would be gratefully received 

21/02/2014 at 14:34
O.rangeCannon (kona-7) wrote (see)

I have 1 midntee for this year (that i have mostly ignored so far....oops) 

I am happy to take another is anyone is interested.

 

I am better at Ironman than i am at being a mentor, but a crap mentor is better than no mentor?.

Hi I am training for a half on 8 june 14 and I intend to do a full in 15 and would be happy for any help 

Edited: 21/02/2014 at 14:37

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