Numpty IM Bike Thread

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Mr StOat    pirate
26/02/2013 at 12:40
So then get another bike for the turbo to save swapping wheels over all together.
Britrisky    pirate
26/02/2013 at 21:27

Just out of interest, what's the worst that would happen if I didn't keep my new wheels 'for best'?

27/02/2013 at 00:04

They should be fine for Summer use anyway.   They aren't tubulars or all carbon rims are they - if they were I'd say maybe save them for best - but otherwise I'd use them say from April through to October certainly on dry days anyway.  

The wet and road salt in Winter will wear wheels a lot faster, damp can get into the bearings and salt and muck wears the rims when you brake and most people try and use something a bit cheaper, but even then the occasional ride in the wet isn't something to worry about.

You might be unlucky and damage one in a crash or pot hole but it doesn't happen often.   

Scuba Trooper    pirate
06/04/2013 at 13:59

I return with another numpty question.

Just got back from a long ride and on the last hill only 500m from home i changed gear heard a crunch and spinning peddles. Once I'd unclipped in a panic not ot fall off and looked round I could see my chain on the floor behind me.

I have a power link thing and a couple of replacement pins but I was wondering whether I should consider replacing the chain rather than a repair. It’s an YBN brand chain but the bike is second hand so I have no idea how many miles the chain has done. I have Shimano group set, mainly 105. I'm training for Challange Henely so will be clocking a fair few miles in the next 4 months.

Not sure if this is relevant or a different problem, I have notice when on the small chain ring and smaller sprockets on the cassette the chain rubs a little on the inside of the large chain ring.

Thanks in advance for you assistance.

WhizKid    pirate
06/04/2013 at 14:31
Alright ST replace the chain and the cassette, a 105 chain should only be about 15-20quid and a cassette is about 30-40 quid, the chain may also run on the inside the large ring in the extremes for example small ring at the front a d the small rings at the rear. I would advise against getting a super aggressive cassette like a 11-21 and get like a 12-23 or something along those lines.... If you need any other help mate just message
08/04/2013 at 09:34

+1 with JT

out of curiosity, was it the powerlink that failed or a standard chain link?  I've used powerlinks on my road and mountain bikes for years - saves a lot of faffing around if you need to get a chain off - and only had one of them fail on me in all that time.

as for the rubbing - yes it can happen - and the simple answer is to avoid using the combination you used (or vice versa with large chainring and large cassette ring) as it means your chain is at full cross over. it's more efficient if you can try to keep the chain as much in a straight line as possible.   

Scuba Trooper    pirate
08/04/2013 at 17:26

Thanks for the replies chaps.

I've had a look at and count of my current cassette and it is a 12-25 and its 50-34 at the front with a 175 crank. Would a straight replacement make sense? Its my first year riding, I am doing ok and have managed to get up to 60 miles and am ring 3 time a week ever week ( come from a marathon running background. I have been using the 25 at the end of longish climbs but I have been staying in the seat. I only get out of the seat if I find I'm on the big ring at the end of a smaller hill and can't be bothered to change.

Is it worth me spending £10-15 for the specialist tools and trying to do it myself this means I can probably save £20-30 on the cost of the components and maybe the same on labour compared to the LBS. I'm new to bike maintenance but generally reasonable capable with DIY etc.

The other thing I've been looking at is upgrading to Ulterga which would only be £18 more for chain and cassette than 105 is it worth it?

 

Edited: 08/04/2013 at 17:30
WhizKid    pirate
08/04/2013 at 17:38
ST - the chains don't make a hell of a difference from dura ace through too 105 a very VERY slight weight save so the chain is meh, but the cassette might be worth it as its only a few quid more.

Next point doing it yourself requires a few tools.. Which I will list for you... 1. Chain whip. 2. Cassette spline remover (a 19 mm bolt or something along those lines) 3. Chain pin remover... I would say do it yourself it's easy, follow these steps, remove old chain (do NOT discard) then remove cassette. Next place old chain near new one and split too correct length(-1 link if using a power link obviously)... Replace new cassette noting how you took the old one off.... Replace chain use small rings at front and rear for easy mode fitting and clip together, test and enjoy.... The main reason for doing this yourself is because if your chain snapped in a race you won't panic and will get on with it... Good luck mate
08/04/2013 at 18:05

doing it yourself is very straightforward when you've done it a few times.

to expand on jt's post, you will also need a cassette lockring removal tool - I think jt is calling this a spline remover - Shimano specific of course but many companies make them.  getting used to using a chainwhip is the hardest part but once you know how it works, it's easy (loads of YouTube vids around or go to the Park Tools website for info).

you are also supposed to refit the lockring at the correct torque (around 40nM - should be marked on the lockring) so a torque wrench could be useful as well but again with experience, you tend to get a feel for what 40nM feels like.  but you can use a torque wrench for all sorts of tightening so it's a worthwhile tool to have in your armoury (mine came from Lidl for about £12 I think)

and one other thing when putting a chain back on - get a piece of wire (an old coat hanger is good) about 10cm long and bend the ends down so they fit inside a link at either end and use that to hold the chain together while you're rejoining it, otherwise you'll frustrate yourself fighting against the deraileur spring tension!  make sure you leave enough links free so you can fiddle about with the rejoining.  believe me that bit of wire will be your chain friend for life for zero cost!!!

Scuba Trooper    pirate
08/04/2013 at 18:37

Thanks again chaps.

I'm going to give it a go doing it myself, I have a mate who knows what he is doing so will rope him in I think and borrow some of this tools too.

FB - It was a normal link that went. Is there an advantage in using a power link when I connect the new chain or use a pin?

I'm going to go with 12-25 unless someone can give me a good reason to go for a 11 or 23 instead, I'm not going to be at the pointy end of thing and hope to finish 12:30-14:00hrs.

08/04/2013 at 18:53
fat buddha wrote (see)

and one other thing when putting a chain back on - get a piece of wire (an old coat hanger is good) about 10cm long and bend the ends down so they fit inside a link at either end and use that to hold the chain together while you're rejoining it, otherwise you'll frustrate yourself fighting against the deraileur spring tension!  make sure you leave enough links free so you can fiddle about with the rejoining.  believe me that bit of wire will be your chain friend for life for zero cost!!!

Good tip but I would make sure the chain is threaded around the chainstay and rear mech correctly but instead of tensioning it around the front chain wheels leave the chain loose. Refit the link and then thread it back over the chain wheels.

Scuba Trooper    pirate
08/04/2013 at 18:57

God I need so much help, with my compact set up do i need a 114 or 116 link chain.

WhizKid    pirate
08/04/2013 at 19:05
Doesn't really matter a 10 spd should be fine... You can take your old one off and literally count the links in it.... You will take a crap load of links off anyway....

And Buddha is correct about the wire it works a treat!
09/04/2013 at 09:21

"FB - It was a normal link that went. Is there an advantage in using a power link when I connect the new chain or use a pin?"

I always use a powerlink, both on new chains and in case of an emergency (carry on in my saddlepack) simply as it make future removaland repair a damn sight easier than having to fiddle around with pins and chainbreakers.   chains have a special pin that should be the one you use for connecting and removing chains, but can you find the bugger when the chain's all cacked up?? no.  so a powerlink takes away that problem.

"Good tip but I would make sure the chain is threaded around the chainstay and rear mech correctly but instead of tensioning it around the front chain wheels leave the chain loose. Refit the link and then thread it back over the chain wheels."

yep - that 's another easy way to do it, and you can use a wire then as well, as just having something to pull the ends together makes life a whole load easier!  in the wild, I've evan used a stick and some plaited grass to do the same thing.

09/04/2013 at 09:24

also 

"I'm going to go with 12-25 unless someone can give me a good reason to go for a 11 or 23 instead, I'm not going to be at the pointy end of thing and hope to finish 12:30-14:00hrs."

you should be fine with a 12-25 (that's standard for a compact) but for more comfort when you get tired, you might want to consider a 12-27.

09/04/2013 at 10:25

I've got a compact and 12-27 but it is specifically a hill climbing set up.  It's hilly round here!

PSC    pirate
03/06/2013 at 07:49

Hi all you experts...

question on value  - there is a PlanetX Pro Carbon bike on fleabay with SRAM Red gear on it currently sitting at about £700.  18 bids already and closes soon.  I am seriously tempted as it looks like it is in great condition.  I don't know how old it is?  Is that important?  And at what price would this start to sound expensive - already/£750/£800.....

IronCat5    pirate
03/06/2013 at 08:19

Depends how much of the Red is Red.  You may find the chainset and front mech aren't. Sometimes you can pick one up new one up for 900 to a grand. 

TheEngineer    pirate
03/06/2013 at 09:04

A grand gets you SRAM Rival new. I'd say that's a fair price to pay for 2nd hand with a bit of an upgrade. (Provided it isn't trashed )

PSC    pirate
03/06/2013 at 09:21

thanks guys... I've raised the bidding a bit, but dont want to go above 750.

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