Outlaw 2013

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seren nos    pirate
04/11/2012 at 16:02

looking for some winter/ spring sportives near south wales/ west/ gloucester way and failing at the moment...............

 thinking of doing the l;ittle woody in august as a recovery race before IMW

The Evil Pixie    pirate
04/11/2012 at 16:14

I'll be doing the sessions in Fink but not the times!! I'm about 44mins for a mile just now so 30mins aint happening any day soon!


04/11/2012 at 16:26

FWIW I loosley followed Fink last year doing relay for Outlaw. I shortened the Fink swim sessions down to fit an hour by reducing all parts of it. From April I did one OW swim a week and one or two pool sessions, gradually building distance to 3000m by end of May. I surprised myself by coming out of the water in 1:43 on race day as had been thinking more 1:50/1:55.

I am doing Outlaw Half this year and will be basing my training on Fink again.

11/11/2012 at 14:43

Well, persevering with HR training ahead of starting Fink in earnest and early signs are encouraging that I'm not loosing any pace. Before I started, I could hold 4:30min per km for 10k and 4:45 for 20k. This would be with an average BPm of about 165.

After throwing in 2 runs per week at for the past 3 weeks where I stick to zone 1 and 2 (sub 156 bpm), I'm not only matching my previous pace, but have bought my 20k pace down to under 4:40m per km. Will see how it holds up for my first half marathon next week.

Is anyone else seeing results from heart rate training?

Oh, and bitten the bullet and bought me a Rible Ultra TT bike.

All systems go for starting the 30 week count down on Dec 10th (well, almost...just need to get back in the pool now)

Doner Kebab    pirate
11/11/2012 at 15:34

everyone should see results in low level heart rate training - its meant to make more capilleries in the muscles so that in turn makes more oxygen get to the muscle and therefore more efficient, i think if you arent getting anything from heart rate training you must have your zones wrong or not training proprerly, either that or you are an extremely fit person already, even the kenyans train at low heart rates and if its good enough for them...     i have got to a stage now where i can run so far at 70% max i really dont know how far i can run, this is mainly because i only ever run for 2 or so hours at  70% and anything longer is normally a race where im at around 85% to 100%. what i do know is that when i started i was alot slower for the same heart rate, and i mean a LOT slower

11/11/2012 at 21:31
Great to hear DK. Despite starting as a sceptic, I am definately going to keep it up
Mr StOat    pirate
11/11/2012 at 22:00

It does sound like it needs trying properly.

I take it he best way to work out zones is to do a prioper maxHR test first (run up hills until vomitting) rather than the 220-age?

Mr StOat    pirate
11/11/2012 at 22:05

And 4 weeks today will be the last day of unplanned anything until we cross the line at Outlaw! (if doing the 30 week plan)

Doner Kebab    pirate
11/11/2012 at 22:09
Yea you need to test properly, just coincidence mine works out right or within 1 now I had a birthday. And remember cycling and running may have differing maxes due to the different muscle groups used
Britrisky    pirate
12/11/2012 at 22:52
Here's a question - I may have the opportunity to go to the Falklands for two weeks in April. I'll certainly be able to run there, but probably not swim and definitely not bike - would my training survive??? Is it Falklands or Outlaw, do you think?
Doner Kebab    pirate
12/11/2012 at 23:25
You'll be fine, even if you just do enough to maintain your aerobic fitness it'll be ok, if running loads is going to risk injury just run hard or do a tempo run once a week, a long run and a couple of easy ones and you'll be good to get back where you left off
PSC    pirate
13/11/2012 at 06:56

2 weeks will be absolutely fine... and I bet they have some form of exercise bike on the islands.  I would grab the chance to see the Falklands first hand.

PSC    pirate
13/11/2012 at 06:58

Just to be a bit provocative... 30 weeks is too long!  Keep the base training going and work on your weaker areas, but focussed hard training over 16 or 20 weeks is ample IMHO.  I've tried the 30 week programmed approach and got bored with 10 weeks to go and basically stopped training.  I would be interested to hear what others who have completed 2+ IM events might have to say on this too....

13/11/2012 at 07:44

You may actually find that 2 weeks of not being able to bike & swim means you are re-motivated when you get back...and it puts some real fire-in-your-belly to nail your next few rides etc. 

Just use the time to thrash yourself on your running.  Simple!

13/11/2012 at 07:51
You would have no argument from me there PSC, but as a iron distance virgin and natural worrier, personally I don't want to be in a position where on the start line I have not done everything I can. The Fink structure gives me that (in theory).

Would be good to hear what others think though
Cortina5    pirate
13/11/2012 at 09:20

I hear what you're saying Stanners. I knew that if I followed Fink and gave it my all, I was going to be at the start line prepared. However Fink is too long by about 10 weeks IF you have a good base already. OC always recommends finding a training schedule you can do 7/52.

The weeks between 20 and 27 were the hardest. I was tired physically and mentally and had had enough really. Then taper kicks in and it gets worse - you have the energy but no where to put it. Cue arguments about nothing at home.

Brit - from what I hear abou the Falklands you might do more walking. It can be a tad windy. I guess it depends who is hosting you? If it's private you might find a gym. If it is HMG then you might find the facilities are pretty good.

Britrisky    pirate
13/11/2012 at 10:39
IronCat5 in the Hat wrote (see)

Brit - from what I hear abou the Falklands you might do more walking. It can be a tad windy. If it is HMG then you might find the facilities are pretty good.

Good practice for Outlaw, then - if its like last year? Yes - HMG (T.A. annual camp), but have to see if work will give me the time off first ...

Britrisky    pirate
13/11/2012 at 12:58

Marines? Are you kidding? They'll make mincemeat out of me!!! I'm only T.A., you know!!!  I'll ask around ...

13/11/2012 at 13:57

marines? oh, brit, yes, you must train with the marines don't pass up that kind of opportunity

flyaway    pirate
13/11/2012 at 14:49

Brit - dont bank on being able to train there. April is heading into winter in the Falklands, and it is incredibly exposed, ridiculously cold and windy like you wouldnt believe. What running you manage to do may be a flat out battle against the wind. There is a gym, but stationary bikes are the wrong geometry. The pool was undergoing refurbishment this year, but that might be open for you with any luck.
Dont discount the length of flight and the jetlag either - ease yourself into it gently.

I think you should go if you can, as it may be a once in a lifetime experience, but personally, i would count on doing nothing in the way of specific training while you're there. Anything you get is then a bonus. Couple of big training weeks before you go, and plan for not being able to train while you're there, and its in no way a disaster - after all, people get ill, and lose a week or two, and still make it to the finish line.

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