Outlaw 2013

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13/12/2012 at 23:35
I find swimming really draining..... Even though it does not feel like,'proper' exercise.....

Seren... Nice attitude..... Build slowly and consistently......

Saw an email today about those on the waiting list maybe getting an email over xmas.

13/12/2012 at 23:44
Re weight loss....

Well i was a fit bloke (2 halfs the year before) and i lost a stone in my first IM year.
Sounds good eh?

However i have lost nothing in the next 2 years despite training more.

Also many lady pirates report losing no weight...... They are way fitter and things get redistributed, but if you exercise like a horse you eat like a horse.... And horses dont lose weight.

So dont under eat. that way leads to feeling like shit and falling apart
Dont overeat. yes you are exercising lots but do you really need that chocolate muffin. is an apple a better idea?

On long bike rides, eat/ drink regularly. you are fuelling for the ride and getting used to fuelling for a subsequent run as well.....
PSC    pirate
14/12/2012 at 07:04
Many lose weight when the bike miles go up. Toning will certainly be evident though as training progresses. It's long and slow stuff that burns fat. Short fast efforts burn glycogen. And it's fat burning that you should be training for as that will fuel your race.
14/12/2012 at 20:11
Yea! I'm excited at the news that all us wait listers may get in to the race after all. I'm on the list since the day after it sold out. Was going to stay on the short courses this year if I did not get in to Outlaw. Now I'm suddenly looking forward to going long again.

O.C speaks sense (as usual!) about finding a balance to your eating, I under ate last year trying to lose a few pounds as the race loomed, and quickly felt like shit then fell apart!

So many things to do differently this time round, can't wait!
meface    pirate
14/12/2012 at 23:23

They did a double blind test with two groups who had no idea why they were being tested. One group did swimming the other running then they reversed. After training they provided a free buffet and used hidden cameras to record what people ate. The swimmers always ate more.

They have no real cuase but did wonder if swimming lowered core body temperature by a fraction and so human need says get food now to rev the engine.

So swimming probably does make you hungrier than running but you don;t always need the intake.

15/12/2012 at 08:21

I think I read somewhere that doing easyish exercise makes you feel hungry, whereas if the exercise is more intense/harder you tend not to feel hungry afterwards. I know when I am swimming it generally does not feel as hard as when I run, (the exception would be coached sessions where we are doing some kind of speed thing). Can't remember where I read that though

Cortina5    pirate
15/12/2012 at 09:30
I often feel sick after a track session or hard run. Though the XC league does put on a good buffet... I eat loads then suffer GI issues all afternoon.
TheEngineer    pirate
15/12/2012 at 09:31
IronCat5 in the Hat wrote (see)
I often feel sick after a track session or hard run. Though the XC league does put on a good buffet... I eat loads then suffer GI issues all afternoon.



15/12/2012 at 09:33

Now thats an image I hadnt planned on this morning. And instantly, im trying to recal my last deposit........

TheEngineer    pirate
15/12/2012 at 09:35

Last time I floated one off to Tilbury it was a very satisfying 3. I've just finished the morning coffee, so I'll be taking advantage of the office facilities shortly.

seren nos    pirate
16/12/2012 at 13:34

i have had cheese and marmite sandwiches................in the past i have not really gone very technical on the bike....i have chosen foods that i like so i will be tempted by them and ones that are cheap...........and ones that don't cause stomach problems

might start to look at it a bit more technically this year

PSC    pirate
16/12/2012 at 14:08

Is there a right and wrong type of stool?  Clearly type 7 is a little unfortunate... but of the others, I wonder what might cause such clearly defined structures!

On more 'on topic' note... what events are people doing in the build up to Outlaw...  This is my list so far...  

Winter Tanners (Run)
Punchbowl (Run)
Thanet 20 (Run)
Hell of Ashdown (Bike)
King of the Downs (bike) 
7 Oaks Circular (Run)
LDWA SD Mara (Run
Kent Castles 100 (Bike)
Chiltern 100 (Bike)
SD Mara (Run)

And I am looking for more to do.... God the LDWA otherwise I would be broke.  But there are some bike gaps in there and I am on the lookout for long bike rides in the locality of Kent/Sussex/Essex.... might stretch to Surrey at a pinch.  I need to squeeze a half IM in there somewhere too...  where is the DIY thread?  


16/12/2012 at 15:26

I'm planning to do the DIY half and the chiltern 100. other than that I will be on the look out for some more cycle events in Bedfordshire area and either some local shorter tri's or swimming events involving open water swims.

I'd like to maybe do a sea swim event  sometime next year to decide if a sea based ironman is a possibility for another year.

does anyone know if the lake at Holme pierrepoint is open for swimming at all other than for the outlaw and 1/2 outlaw? I might take a trip up to to take a look at the bike course one weekend and if I could suss out the lake too would be even more worthwhile

Edited: 16/12/2012 at 15:27
16/12/2012 at 16:05

Thanks Pixie, a quick search showed that there were coached sessions available last year on a Wed or Fri evening for £10.


friday night swim followed by a lap of bike route on a Saturday sounds like a good plan if they do similar next year, anyone else fancy this? just an idea at the moment, will need to get organised with a suitable date nearer the time.

PSC    pirate
16/12/2012 at 16:57

there are some cheap sportiffs around if you shop about.  Also worth keeping an eye on the audax site - it's a bit like LDWA but for bikes.  Lots of long beards and mudguards so you will look a bit of a nonce if you turn up on a TT bike.  But on a regular road bike you will fit in and can get some extraordinary rides for very little money.

I'm doing some DIY (at home) long bricks and 1/2ish IM distance days.  I would love to join SA's group, but his gaff is bllody miles away from me so I will support from a distance! 

16/12/2012 at 17:49

Thanks, PSC, Audax site looks good, Pencilled in a couple of possibilities.

PSC    pirate
16/12/2012 at 18:04

seren nos    pirate
16/12/2012 at 18:20

PSC.i forgot about the chiltern 100 but will have to see the date as have a half ironman  on june 2

16/12/2012 at 18:48
PSC don't forget the Castle 100 that is in may from memory.

Also I'm sure some of us southerners can get together for some DIY bike rides and brick sessions.
PSC    pirate
16/12/2012 at 21:43
I'm running out of weekends. The castle 100 is a good ride. I did it last year. I wonder if I can squeeze it in.
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