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22/01/2012 at 19:31
Is anyone running Garmin Vector pedals at this time or considering doing so, what do you think of them.
Dubai Dave    pirate
23/01/2012 at 03:54
To the best of my knowledge you can't get them until march, downside is that you can't display seperate power for left and right legs unless youi have a Garmin 800 or 910XT which is a fair bit more expense. But you can switch bikes easily which is the plus, I may get some depends on bonuses!
23/01/2012 at 05:25

Slight side comment, but I've been using a Quarq since late october and swapping from road bike to TT bike 2-3 times a week.  Swapping takes about 2 minutes (can do in 1 but I tend not to turn it into a race).  Having decent power and WKO3 is really helping me plan training and on club rides I am way way quicker as a result of going easier on the early parts of hills, meaning I recover and regain any distance dropped with interest in the second half of the climb.   

 So definite thumbs up to power in general, and there are options out there.

23/01/2012 at 08:26
Cheerful Dave    pirate
23/01/2012 at 08:53

I must admit I've been put off using a power meter up to now because most systems restrict you to pretty much one bike or set of wheels.  The Garmin system looks good for ease of switching between bikes, although it's probably more vulnerable to damage in a (very expensive) spill.  I hadn't thought about doing that with the Quarq though - I guess if you have compatible bottom brackets on both bikes it's a straightforward switch.  Although it wouldn't work on my fixie.

It's an expensive gadget however you do it though.

Doner Kebab    pirate
23/01/2012 at 09:09
Im seriously thinking of the vector route, although you cant see both leg powers at the same time on the edge 500 i believe that when you download the data into garmin connect it will be shown as 2 separate fields, i dont think that knowing this data on a ride is that important, i can wait till i get home to analyse. there are also spares available in the case of accidents and so for me this is a cheap (or should i say cheapest) inroad to power meters.
23/01/2012 at 09:18

Second BB for the road bike was $40 IIRC.  Ie peanuts. 

Regarding the left right reading then be careful.  It doesn't work how you think.  As it's a unidirectional strain guage, then how does the Garmin work out what direction the force is in.  Down, forward, slightly back, even up.  And how to account for a down force when your foot is in the rear half of the cycle (ie moving up).  So the 45% reading you could in theory get doesn't really tell you the whole story.  

Not saying it's a bad system, but think hard about how it will help you. 

 SRAM 975 is a single bolt on the non drive side.  So with a decent ratchet and a long torque wrench it's a doddle and way easier than the vectors will be to swap between bikes. 

Doner Kebab    pirate
23/01/2012 at 09:24
wouldnt the crank sensor work it out, as compared to a car engine - when the sensor passes top dead centre it would know where on the stroke the other pedal is ?
23/01/2012 at 10:16

Hope this doesn't count as spam (I've no connection to them other than they are sponsoring the race I'm putting on) but these guys specialise in pedal power measurement - might be worth calling them as they should know the pros and cons of the different systems.   

Plus if you do and you tell them you saw them sponsoring my race they might sponsor it again next year !

cougie    pirate
23/01/2012 at 11:14
Unless you're getting proper coaching then I can't really see the point in power meters.
You can have all the stats in the world but if you can't understand them and act on them - whats the point ?
23/01/2012 at 12:18
+1 with cougs

did Merckx have the benefit of a powermeter?? nope - he just got out and rode.

I'm not dissing modern kit as much of it does make riding more pleasant and easier - lightweight materials, goretex shells, clipless pedals etc - but it doesn't substitute for hard graft in all honesty.

but if people want to spend their money on them fine, that's their call

all the gear etc....
Darkness    pirate
23/01/2012 at 16:28
+2 power meters are too serious for me. I don't even download my Garmin from one month to the next, just like the fact it gives me pace, hr etc while I am doing it but never spend time analysing after the event.

23/01/2012 at 17:49

Cougie / FB   - a sort of +3. 

 If you use it as a bike computer then it's a total waste of money.  You do need to be a bit geeky, and religiously download and analyse the data.  You also need to buy / read Coggan's book and that's possibly the best place to start BEFORE you buy the meter.  £15 before £1500.  But then as with most people on here, then we spend a bit too much time in front of the PC compared to actually out training, or once you've done a long session then 10 minutes to download and analyse. 

It's not right for everyone, and you do need to approach training with a scientific attitude rather than going on feel, but I know I'm quicker on my £700 bike with £1500 power meter than I would be on a £2200 bike.  Quicker by a margin approaching 'value' at £1500?  Different question...

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