The race team suggestion was sewn on the seed of leveraging the pirates, sponsorship, marketing. Thats effectively what is happening and what people objected to.
Your interpretation and supposition you mean surely?
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So - wait you can get a worse offer elsewhere - fk you must be a sales person's dream! "Like this car 1/2 price Sir", "No thanks I was offered 5% off down the road - good day". Tell you what Barlos, as this is obviously a dictatorship, I'll do exactly as you say, I'll scrap the team, I'll not give away the race entries nor ask for discounts on my friends behalf. I'll keep the information I wish to share to myself and stop socialising with my friends - just when you show me the binding contract that said when I put on pirate colours I most not use them in association with anything else - thought we'd been through that one (which caused a mega flounce) Sorry you're upset - it's very much work in progress, don't like it, ignore it, if you think it cheapens the pirates more than stopping for fags around an IM bike course then you're a bit messed up. The team is made up of pirates - I've even been so bold to call them fast pirates. When I invite you to join when you go sub 10, feel free to politely tell me to fk right off. Yours slightly bored of the same old whinging crap from folk that think they have the right to speak for over 500 people - you've expressed your opinion - it's noted.
So - wait you can get a worse offer elsewhere - fk you must be a sales person's dream! "Like this car 1/2 price Sir", "No thanks I was offered 5% off down the road - good day".
Tell you what Barlos, as this is obviously a dictatorship, I'll do exactly as you say, I'll scrap the team, I'll not give away the race entries nor ask for discounts on my friends behalf. I'll keep the information I wish to share to myself and stop socialising with my friends - just when you show me the binding contract that said when I put on pirate colours I most not use them in association with anything else - thought we'd been through that one (which caused a mega flounce)
Sorry you're upset - it's very much work in progress, don't like it, ignore it, if you think it cheapens the pirates more than stopping for fags around an IM bike course then you're a bit messed up.
The team is made up of pirates - I've even been so bold to call them fast pirates. When I invite you to join when you go sub 10, feel free to politely tell me to fk right off.
Yours slightly bored of the same old whinging crap from folk that think they have the right to speak for over 500 people - you've expressed your opinion - it's noted.
So basically it’s the original plan and fck you if you don’t like it. The earlier content of this thread is worthless?I never said scrap the team, it’s a good idea. Ive nothing against the team, nothing against people trying to better themselves, achieve their ambitions, support each other, socialise. Even free race entries. It’s the advertising/ Your not getting a car for half price! Now are you getting a discount for nothing if you’ve having to post cheap comments like “their nut butters and fruit spreads are to die for”. Im upset, but clearly not as upset as you. When was the last time you’ve raced in pirate kit? If ive cheapened the pirates by stopping for fags around an IM bike course id like to think ive made up for it by supporting at dozens of races, year in year out, bankrolling kit orders etc etc. What is most bizarre about this whole thing as far as im aware you’ve had next to nothing to do with the pirates for 8 years but suddenly appear when there’s a quick buck to be made. Can it not happen without the advertising?
the important question is whether that beetroot juice makes your piss turn red? no point drinking it otherwise
Barlos - It could happen without mentioning pirates, without giving anything back..I could just do a blackline or freespeed and then would you care, it would have been easier but I really wanted to create a resource for people around the 11 hour mark to go to who wanted to get to the 10 hour mark.
And the advertising will not be on the front page as it is - I'm playing with the site, never having used wordpress before so trying things out, the words are just filler, although I'm not sure they'll get much better if I'm writing them.
But - why the fk do you care? I'm not forcing anything on you, I'm not changing or using the kit? And I'm not making any cash from this venture either and I'm not calling it the official runner's world pirates race team (and I was never going to do that)
The reason for me not racing in the kit should be obvious but the fact still remains most of my tri friends were through the pirates, whether or not I jumped ship matters not a hoot - I was on the original ship along with yourself and laugh when people go on about the pirate ethos / spirit / etc - I seem to remember it was mainly blind panic for 9 months and slagging off green bikes - somehow some mystical bullshit came out of the back of it, mainly when more people came on-board and the old skool banter got diluted.
Hats off to you for bankrolling the pirates - maybe you should get an award. I've supported many a race, just because it was a PSOF outing makes no difference.
I do hope you've taped over the LG sign on your pirate kit and sanded off the decals from your wheels or re-sprayed your cervelo etc...
Slam the website when it's finished, don't use the offers, don't write a race report.
Just get off the horse and wait until you see what it's about then feel free to rip into it.
Lets call a truce until early December shall we...?
Candy - 2 shots and a IM makes for bright pink piss
just go for whole beetroot and scare yourself shitless (literally) that you have colon cancer and the jobs a good 'un
NO truce, fight it out. I'm enjoying this....
Piss off you!
i don't think you're supposed to put them up your arse
I care because im passionate about the pirates, like I said earlier in the thread I have found a home amongst the pirates, somewhere I and others havn’t found in many other tri-clubs. I fear change, particularly when its associated with advertising and sponsorship, I think that fear is justified as its corrupting. You don’t get anything for nothing and that could put at risk the pirate ethos and spirit we’re all so fond of.
I realise that you’re intending to separate the race team from the pirates and I genuinely admire your ambition. Whether ive jumped the gun remains to be seen but the draft website played to my fears. I know youre not forcing anyone to participate but what I saw today struct me as participation by association. Maybe the revised site will be different?Please believe me when I say im not looking to argue for sake of pettiness (it surely must seem so) but I know how commercial organisations operate and they want their piece of flesh. People’s perceptions are easily swayed, I look to the future and wonder whether association with sponsors / advertisers could reflect on us. Do we really want to see the thread on tripetalk ‘pirates nut butters and fruit spreads are to die for’, though I now understand those words were just filler.
Clearly you’ve developing the idea, but please there can be advertising by association, and yes there are decals on my bike, yes we wear LG kit but its not explicit advertising, there is a difference. I would urge you to think about the relative benefits you can get vs whether you need to display adverts, avoiding adverts would avoid many of the concerns.
Incidentally ive long considered having a custom pirate paint job on my bike but will hold off until ive the Meridian foods brand statement
OK - we obviously have a difference on opinion on this. And there you go with that ethos shite again...but hey you're not the only one.
The pound of flesh is simple - they hope by supporting a bunch of fast triathletes with good social media contacts may influence people to buy said products...
Triathlete Mag make their money from advertising and not subs, so getting more people to subscribe even at cost means better charge back for them. It's really quite obvious.
Anyway I'll be sending you your new mandatory logos to plaster over yourself in the coming weeks.
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. Incidentally ive long considered having a custom pirate paint job on my bike but will hold off until ive the Meridian foods brand statement
Have you told Ginsters you're thinking of defecting .
Clearly we have a difference of opinion, I seem to recognise something special about the pirates which makes them different to other tri clubs and you don’t. You don’t see the problem that the ‘also ran’ pirates by association are supporting your mates (some of whom are/were pirates) so they can get freebies from companies, and cast off some breadcrumbs/discounted magazine subscriptions to keep the rest of us quiet.
If the concept is so great you should play down the pirate association and let it stand on its own merits.
I've had enough of this shit - I'm off to Tripetalk.....oh - hang on.....
Who's keeping you quite? You find a lot your self-worth and identity through a club which is basically like any other tri club but without the organised training aspects and committee - it's just a virtual club with a strong social element, not everyone gets on, there's little cliques and sub-groups and there's a shared kit.
It does stand on it's own merits - it's not called the Pirate / PSOF race team - but we are who we are and most of them team choose to still race in pirate kit. There's no plans for new team kit.
Tell you what - I'll not post anything about the team here and if Cougie says so, I'll not post anything in the FB group either and people can find out info from the website when ready of the team facebook page.
Incidentally when youre thinking about advertising & sponsorship and even tenuous association with the pirates, please bear in mind there is approx £10000 of pirate money with LG pending delivery of the next kit order.What happens if this little venture doesnt work out how you expect, there is around £100,000 worth of pirate kit in circulation.
What? I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.
There's no advertising or branding with pirates - I don't sail this ship...I'm only interested in the Buccaneers, which happen to be made up of pirates.
For me its the advertising by association.
The Buccaneers, have a product to market, it so happens that the product is an elite self selecting group of people who race in pirate kit. Theyre promoting their product on the internet and linking it to adverts/sponsors. The implication is that people in pirate kit are associated with those adverts/sponsors. When in reality it’s the minority of the Buccaneers or those people who opt in who will see the cream of the benefits.In other words youre leveraging the pirates.What about if a group of pirate smokers clubed together and launched a website with tobacco sponsorship, photo’s of us competing with fags in our mouths and in our back pockets. What about if we appeased the other pirates with free subscription to magazines while we used the free tickets to watch the then ‘Marlboro’ F1 team at Silverstone?
How would the non/anti smoking pirates feel?
Barley, sorry but I don't think there's much similarity between being a Buccaneer and being a smoker! I'm guessing that most Pirates, like me, don't see any good reason to be anti-Buccaneer, whereas many would have a problem with smokers, as I'm sure you've found.
And any Pirate can take advantage of the Triathlete Europe discount. I stumbled on the site earlier today and used the discount code for my next year's subscription - came at just the right time for me, so thanks, Buccaneers, keep them coming .
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