Swimming over people

Is there a polite way to do this?

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Blisters    pirate
14/07/2012 at 17:58

Not having been through the washing machine, I am nervous about the potential for being swum over, kicked, losing goggles, and generally being pushed about.

If someone thwacked me during a swim I would feel a distinct urge to (edit edit edit) get my own back.

Is there a protocol to overtaking in the open water?

Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
14/07/2012 at 18:45

Not that I have noticed! Being a slow swimmer I avoid trouble by always starting to one side or at the back. I have actually been pushed under the water and swum over, so now I make sure to stay out of the way.

Iron Pugsley    pirate
14/07/2012 at 19:19
Best advice I got from Wild Will before Regensburg was "don't take it personally". (although I think he may have got his nose broken in that race).

That's the only protocol I follow now. Don't retaliate, find my own space and swim.
14/07/2012 at 19:54

Other then a few bumps have not really struggled with the start of the two i've done

14/07/2012 at 20:21

Agree with Pugsley.  If you let your anger or frustration get the better of you then you are more likely to panic and get in a mess, or swim off too fast and then suffer later.

Take it in your stride and aim for the clear water.

15/07/2012 at 23:12

The only person I've ever elbowed back was the one who after we'd collided put her hand on my shoulder and attempted to use me to push off on.  Totally unecessary - we were both near the end and in the middle of the lake. Every other time you just move away and get on with your own race!

Doozer.    pirate
16/07/2012 at 07:30
You have to be equally aggressive I've found, if you don't you will get climbed all over. I have turned on my back and kicked out at people constantly grabbining my legs, it's survival of the fittest

Or just keep out of the way like other suggest, it's normally only for 300 metres max anyway
Bionic Ironwolf    pirate
16/07/2012 at 07:45

No, Doozer, for many of us it is 3800m!

Doozer.    pirate
16/07/2012 at 08:28
The washing machine part is only normally 300 metres!
16/07/2012 at 08:58
seren nos    pirate
16/07/2012 at 09:12

agree thats it usually just the start..and all my hits are accidental from people where you are just swimming at an off angle and clash........apart from enduroman this year when it was 13 laps and just a couple of the fast boys were so rude that when they lapped they were pushing and kicking..even got one of the marshalls........there were less than 40 people in the lake and no need for it....it would have been faster just to go around that over........when one grabbed my legs down and then pulled me down then i did stand up and swore loudly .......i couldn't get hiws number as it was on the other side but the lap counter got it.......

16/07/2012 at 10:10

the Yanks seem to be particulalry brutal in the swim - no prisoners at all.  IMFlorida was a 3.8K fight (2200 started).   

but then Smiley Lady got punched in the face deliberately during the swim exit for lap 2 at IMCH.  the punch broke her nose but they never did find out who did it - no video evidence and you try telling the differenece between one person in a wetsuit wearing a swim cap and goggles and another.  she finished btw - tough old bird is SL...

I've only deliberately hit one other in the swim - at London Tri. one guy kept constantly swimming into me and after the 5th time I smacked him on the head - never saw him again.

but it's always best just to focus on your own swim and accept that 99% of the time it's not personal and it happens

Gyraffe    pirate
16/07/2012 at 16:29

Kk - in what way is it ironic?

16/07/2012 at 16:39

i'm with you on this one KK. All out warfare in the water (particularly at the start of the Male 40-45 age group... still trying to prove they're not past it) and then the sphincter police take over at T1 and we all have to play nicely.

Edited: 16/07/2012 at 16:40
16/07/2012 at 17:33

it's almost impossible to tell what's happening in the water unless it's being heavily monitored and video'd and you won't get that unless it's a major international event like an ITU Grand Prix event.   it was the vdeo evidence that got Harry Wiltshire a ban for impeding Javier Gomez in the swim at an ITU event.

generally speaking though, most people avoid conflicts in the water but inevitably there will be clashes in a mass start and you just get on with it.  

 

16/07/2012 at 17:39
fat buddha wrote (see)

watch this for tips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3S0wu4Zbfk

Blisters    pirate
16/07/2012 at 22:52

Thanks for that,  FB. Very helpful.

I think that I might try swimming across the pool during the busiest of the lane sessions, instead of along the lanes.
Alternatively my dolphin of a daughter could be persuaded to start after me and just keep ploughing over the top whenever she overtakes. That would be every 2nd or 3rd length.

17/07/2012 at 07:22

We do drills in the pool where four of you swim alongside each other in one lane.  Its very crowded so simulates the start quite well.  If you can do the same in OW then that is a big bonus

Gyraffe    pirate
17/07/2012 at 10:02
kittenkat wrote (see)
Gyraffe wrote (see)

Kk - in what way is it ironic?

Well I directed that at fb because we've talked a bit about officiating and I'm interested in his views now being that side of the coin.

My point is that bike rules are enforced quite rigidly in well organised tris, quite rightly as most of them are from a safety point of view predominantly.

However, the swim is always a free for all with virtually no rules. I just find it a juxtaposition.

Yep - I agree it's a contradiction. But I don't think it's ironic because they're not trying to make the swim super safe - ironic is when you bang your head on a safety canoe and drown!


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