Toe clips or cycling shoes ?

help or hindrance on duathlons ?

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08/05/2004 at 09:35
OK people - I've been doing duathlons for a while yet and always used toe clips - on the basis that I would spend less time in transition if I didn't have to change my shoes.

I need to improve my cycling times and it's being suggested I should use proper clip in cycling shoes. I'm not sure - do you reckon I would get back the extra time I would spend in transition and be faster on the bike or am I likely to come out of it about even ?
Monique    pirate
08/05/2004 at 09:51
I have been like you only using normal trainers, as I saw some spills in transtition, people skidding over and getting stuck in their pedals and falling off etc. But for distances over 20km I would say they do make biking easier, even with the specially adapted toe clips we had which held your foot more firmly, you don't get to pull upwards with force only push down, so it must significantly decrease your efficiency. I went out for the first time with spds with Derek who on that occasion was on a bike with no clips at all just plain pedals, the difference in speed was incredible he was struggling.
The test will be the sprint at London Tri as I am in spds this year as opposed to trainers, if I am quick enough on the bike to compensate for the time in transition I will be pleased, as this is the shortest distance I would cycle anyway.

The lads/lasses will be along with facts- I just have my opinions and I wouldn't swap back to toe clips now I am used to the shoes.
Bouncing Barlist    pirate
08/05/2004 at 10:32
Hi, I used clipless pedal at the Duathlon and must say the shoe change and teetering along to the mount point would have cost me around 5-10 seconds. I cannot say how much of that time I would have made up on the bike as have not ridden a road bike with toe-clips.

As Monique says with clipless pedals you get a push/pull driving effect through the whole circumference of the pedaling and infact the action is completely different. Ive just been given a few pointers by LizzyB that have improved my cycling over the last few weeks and that is with the clipless pedals you shouldn’t even be pushing/pulling but putting an even amount of power into the whole pedal revolution so your applying the power in a circular motion rather than up and down. By doing this your using different muscles throughout the whole peddling action rather than just a few with either push or push/pull.

I don’t have any figures but would imagine the time lost in transition would be recouped by the more efficient and powerful pedaling action with clipless pedals.

Did you look to see what other riders were using (must admit I didn’t look particularly but saw some with clipless and some without). Some of the people I was passing and the particularly slow ones didn’t have clipless pedals and thus at the MK Duathlon you’ve only got to be looking at gaining a second a lap to justify them.

It will be interesting to see the statistics and results of Moniques experiment.
Monique    pirate
08/05/2004 at 10:42
I was fastest on the bike in our wave at London last year- with trainers on, but still will be using the shoes this year. It makes sense what Lizzy has said about a smoother pedalling action, you naturally seem to be able to achieve that with bike shoes, paricularly when out of the saddle and in an easy gear, it's almost like running.
08/05/2004 at 10:57
Okey dokey Monique - so do you clip the shoes to the pedals and pull them on as you start the cycle or do you put the shoes on your feet first and then balance on the clips until you reach the cycle mount area ?
08/05/2004 at 11:03
Hey Carl - just thought - what are you doing psoting replies this morning - I thought you were off for the saturday morning ride with the TeamMK boys !!

Mind you looking at the miserable weather can't say I would have wanted to do it !
Bouncing Barlist    pirate
08/05/2004 at 11:27
Yes I wimped out on the ride this morning, not feeling 100% and one look at the weather put me off. Still at least ill be fresh for Stratford tomorrow - think it will be a wet one though (especially the swim lol).
08/05/2004 at 11:46
Swimming in the rain is no problem - it's the biking in the rain I don't like - you'll recall how risky some of that cornering was last tuesday !!

Good luck for tomorrow
08/05/2004 at 21:38
Clips and straps are just as efficient as clipless if you have proper cycling shoes on - if you do the straps up tight they are just as secure as clipless - sometimes more so. It's wearing soft trainers that will cost you the time on the bike not the fact you have clips and straps.
AndrewSmith    pirate
09/05/2004 at 00:07
To get an effective action from straps you must have proper shoes and do the straps up tight . This is more dangerous than clipless pedals and you still cannot run in them. The time you possibly lose by changing shoes is more than made up for by the more efficient delivery of power through a clipless pedal. Unless its a really short race. Then its up to you.
09/05/2004 at 10:50
Yes agreed, but you sometimes see people saying clipless are a big advance over straps for cycling - they are - but like you say only because you can get your foot out a lot easier with clipless - they do nothing in terms of the actual cycling bit.
AndrewSmith    pirate
09/05/2004 at 10:56
I agree and its a lot easier and safer to walk in cycling shoes than clipless shoes.
cougie    pirate
09/05/2004 at 12:21
If you have your straps done up tight though - it can cause circulation problems. And a lot of shoes these days aren't compatible with straps. You need a smooth upper - not one with velcro straps or microlocks etc.
09/05/2004 at 13:14
should i get these fancy shoes for when i go to the offy on my bmx?
cougie    pirate
09/05/2004 at 14:03
Definitely. And match them to your bandana.
09/05/2004 at 14:23
mine is a straightforward red/white/blue number... not some weird hippy tie-dye creation like yours
09/05/2004 at 14:45
are you french ?
09/05/2004 at 15:08
look at a union jack young man

i think its the wrong way round for the french anyway - ha!

or i mean, hoh he hoh he hoh!
Bouncing Barlist    pirate
09/05/2004 at 18:41
Had heard that straps and shoes can be quite dangerous as if you fall off your feel are still stuck to pedals and dont disconnect like clipless pedals.

Bouncing Barlist    pirate
09/05/2004 at 18:41
err thats feet still stuck to pedals.
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