triathlon training decreases fertility

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AndrewSmith    pirate
01/07/2009 at 14:57

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Bouncing Barlist    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:00
Bitty
flyaway    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:01

If you milked a high yielding cow 3 x a day, she would produce more milk than if her calf suckled her. But mellifera's point I think was more along the lines of the calf having to be seperated from its mum and either eaten, or raised from a bucket. I dont consider either cruel, but we're entitled to differ here.

Not sure what, if much, about sheep rearing is cruel though... no AI, no seperation, very little "pressure" to produce large numbers of offspring as 2 is the norm for a mules and they cant really raise 3....

flyaway    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:02
(Not that you cant AI sheep, just that the vast majority of farmers dont)
Bouncing Barlist    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:04
Setting sheep on fire and herding them with sheep dogs to make silly pictures is cruel.
Bouncing Barlist    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:04
at night
Bouncing Barlist    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:05
though the night probably doesnt make it any cruelerer,  just adds to the effect.
oxymoron    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:12

i can understand someone thinking that dairy farming is cruel, i was just wondering if that means that milking is always cruel.

Edited: 01/07/2009 at 15:12
flyaway    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:13
seren nos wrote (see)

but surely cows are just like humans..............if you stop milking them then they will stop producing it so would only be painful for a short period JJ.......

Not really. She'd get mastitis and it would be pretty painful. Once they're in full lactation you have to dry them off gradually till they are producing less, then you can stop.

seren nos    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:18
Isn't the problem with sheep the fact they did not naturally have lots of wool...we bred them that way so its got to the point if we don't shear them then they can die if they fall over because the wool is too heavy for some of them to right themselves.................anyway thats what they said in the Bidg Sheep
flyaway    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:24

???
What did they fall into? Quick drying cement??

I could see an argument for them overheating, but I cant see a sheep growing so much wool she couldnt stand herself up again....

01/07/2009 at 15:28
my thoughts as well - the weight of wool compared to the weight of the underlying sheep is quite small
oxymoron    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:31
you're getting off the point, i'm trying to establish something important here, not the  welfare of stupid animals, but whether or not vegans swallow!
seren nos    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:31
I think the  said the problem happens when the wool gets really wet...............but the guy was australian so maybe that explained it
mellifera    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:31

i'm not saying milking is cruel but if you don't eat cow then why would you keep getting a cow pregnant?

'they can die if they fall over' LOL

seren nos    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:32

why the interest Oxy

oxymoron    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:33
ok, so there are some scenarios where milking isnt cruel? yet vegans impose a rule that says they will never drink milk regardless. therefore, they shouldnt swallow. settled.
mellifera    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:34
LOL. a bitter sweet victory oxy!
oxymoron    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:36
not at all, i'm thinking of becoming vegan, and i hate swallowing
mellifera    pirate
01/07/2009 at 15:39
Ha!
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