Thames Trot 50 Training

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20/01/2013 at 18:16
Hi all - best wishes to all for training and the event. Unfortunately I'm out - DNF'd at Mumbai Marathon when my right hip just went. Tendonitus/ITB/muscle pull or tear - not sure which but currently only mobile by wheelchair or crutches. Hugely disappointed but hopefully someone can make use of my place from the waiting list.
20/01/2013 at 18:31

Since Winter Tanners was cancelled I did my 30-miler from home today, through the snow. Slow, but I completed it. Aiming to get out for 10-12 miles tomorrow to give me my final B2B before TT50.

Karla: good luck. You're obviously faster than me (marathon 3.47) but to give you a guide, I finished NDW50 (hilly!) in under 10 hours. A couple of months back I was thinking I'd be going for 9-min miles on TT50, or maybe a little faster, with regular little walking breaks, like FRC is suggesting (on a hilly ultra I simply go for "walk the uphills, run the rest"). But the footing was so atrocious on my recce run, that I've revised my plan considerably, due to sections being more like skating through the mud than running. I also have a posterior tibial tendon strain or tendonitis, which is slowing me down particularly on uneven ground.

20/01/2013 at 19:14

Sorry to hear that, baljc, that's a tough break, rest up and recuperate and come back stronger.

Good work with the 30 miler, Debra. I did a 20 miler yesterday, through deep drifts up on the Ridgeway, and then 10 today. I have to say I loved running in the snow.

I'm going to cut down the mileage a little bit now, but nothing too drastic, I'm not a huge taper fan, and sometimes it's too easy to think of it as an excuse to do nothing at all.

Looking forward to this one now, it looks like the conditions will be pretty extreme one way or the other - snowy or muddy - so I'm forgetting all about projected times, and am just going to relax, give it my all on the day and see what happens

20/01/2013 at 19:38

baljc: sympathies; good luck for a speedy recovery.

Tiago: sounds like you had a couple of good runs. As for projected times - yes, I've given up on that. Finishing would be good; inside the time limit, even better!

I'll be tapering after this B2B - partly to give my posterior tibial tendon a relative rest. Also trying to find ways of strapping it that are sufficiently supportive, to help cope with rough ground, while not being too rigid.

21/01/2013 at 13:49

I wouldn't normally start a proper taper for a long-distance event until 10 days to go, but couldn't face a +3-hour run in the weather at the weekend and settled for two 80-90 minute trudges through the snow instead, to add to the slightly longer midweek runs I banked in the knowledge that snow was coming. It's going to get boggy out there when this lot thaws out!

23/01/2013 at 19:09

Ive just spent several hours going through this forum, I wish Id found it sooner, Im doing TT50 next weekend (sugar thats soon) and its my first ultra. Ive been doing training runs up to 30 miles in 4:30 with water and gels. I havent gone any further, just praying that on the day all my sponsorship money/running partner/atmosphere/excitement/nerves get me that extra 20 miles. although I ran 12 today and Im feeling a hint of ITBS so im coated in tiger balm. Cant wait to see you all on the line. 

Sorry Baljc

23/01/2013 at 19:53

Fred: I really hope you mean "weekend after next", 'cos according to everything I know, TT50 is on 2nd Feb, not 26th January (someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong...).

Have you done any B2Bs? My 30 on Sunday plus being okay running 10 miles Monday (well, okay once I'd switched from uneven ground which my posterior tibial tendon didn't like to a nice, safe, boring treadmill) is very comforting, particularly given that I did less than I'd planned during December.

Also, you may find that by 30 miles or so you really want real food, not gels - savory stuff like cheese wraps looked really good during NDW50 in the summer.

23/01/2013 at 20:01
Debra: I do mean weekend after next! Sorry for the scare! I have done back to backs, I've done a 30 mile and 10k which felt fine. I was starving on my 30 milers and I've been just having gels and the occasional elevenses bar but on the day I do intend to factor in a few more substantial things. I have a hardy stomach so I'm not worried and I've also heard that the cp's are very well stocked! Hopefully they still have anything left by the time I get through them.

I think we all did less than planned in December but I did get out on the trails on Boxing Day!! Are you looking for a specific time on the TT50?
23/01/2013 at 21:43

Fred, thanks for the reassurance re. the date - had me worried for a moment there!

Regarding time,initially I was intending to go for about 9-minute mileing, give or take, with short walking breaks. However, with the combination of (1) the atrocious conditions underfoot which I discovered on my recce run CP3 to end a couple of weeks ago (you'll have read the description on page 9), and (2) my posterior tibial tendon not being 100%, I'll now be happy to (a) finish; (b) within the cut-off time!

I'm just glad that after NDW50 in August I didn't let my fitness drop, but did a proper B2B about every third weekend. Otherwise, the week off at the end of November then four weeks of reduced mileage in December would have totally scuppered me. As it is, I think should be able to complete the 50 okay, if I don't try to push the pace and if my tendon keeps improving - it's a lot better today.

How about you? A time in mind?

24/01/2013 at 17:18

just received another email from them to say that they are going to be strict about the cut off times at check points  I'm a bit worried now if the paths are that bad!!!

24/01/2013 at 18:14

touie2: I just did the calculations again. Relax. 11 hours allows for 12-minute miles throughout, plus 10 minutes per checkpoint (being really generous - I usually allow five mins per checkpoint in my calculations), plus 10 minutes to spare! Yes, the footing is going to be atrocious - wet and slippery - but we should manage faster than that for some of it, at least.

25/01/2013 at 07:50
Hopefully, thanks calculations don't look so bad am getting worried about this now though seems ages since I did a long run!!!
25/01/2013 at 08:31

I was aiming for at least another four B2Bs of 25+/10-12 , and a good number of 50-mile+ weeks myself, but we do what we can. My ankle is definitely improving, but still not 100% - but there's another week for it to be sorted out before I hammer it on TT50. At least I have 10 weeks from TT50 to SDW50 - should be time to let it settle before building up again, I hope.

25/01/2013 at 09:03
Yes hopfully it will recover quickly! My foot is still very sore in offload shoes every time I tread on a lump but I think I'm going to have to just man up about it on the day and hope its not too stony!!!
25/01/2013 at 18:31

niceirondad thanks for asking - i deferred and still off my running feet unfortunately though the upside is it has got me back in the pool and doing lots of core work which must be good for me in the end, right?  However i plan to be at the finish handing out whatever this is to hand out...  and plan to consolidate marathons this year and try an ultra next year, or maybe a 50k off road somewhere...  I will be the one with a big grin looking slightly envious of you finishers...  

jog on... as my son says.... and hope the weather is decent...  pack some spare socks!!

debra if you are there, i havent heard back, did you make a plan?  can you email me, i think i PM'd you my email address... 


25/01/2013 at 18:51

Hi Laura, can't find your e-mail address so just sent you a message via RW, including MY e-mail address and number. Hopingyour offer is still open!

25/01/2013 at 21:00

Had a right result! E-mailed Guy from go beyond and got a place in this after my C2C deferral.

Roll on next weekend

25/01/2013 at 22:05

Dear Dill - it's my place - hope you have a fantastic day!  I was worried noone else would be able to take part at this notice.  I'm out sadly; circumstances beyond my control rather than injury.  I am gutted, having worked so hard on the training.  I'm not sure I can get to this point again easily, as I've had to wilfully put work, husband & children second in a way that you will all understand, but they do not!!  Feeling somewhat despondent , but cheering at thought of Bath Beat 26.7, Manchester Marathon and Richmond Park Trail Marathon all in the next few months.

Good luck all of you, I will be thinking of you and cheering so loudly from here that you might be able to hear me........

27/01/2013 at 10:58

Ran from Benson to Clifton Hampden and back this morning.  The river is high and very close to the top of its banks - about a foot below.  

The terrain:

Clifton hampden to shillingford is mostly wet to waterlogged grass with a few unavoidable ankle deep puddles / ponds (I turned just before Clifton Hampden as it would have meant wading in knee deep water to get to the field before the bridge) 

Shillingford to Benson - wet sticky mud, slippery in places.

V grateful for having waterproof shoes, but the mud in places took the traction control system on my Adidas Kanadia's to the limit so now looking at whether spikes are a realistic option (I suspect not because of the frequent road sections).

Knowing the path from Benson to Streatley quite well, I'd expect that it's much the same down there.

My kit choice was about right - Under Armour top + T Shirt and shorts but could have done with gloves running into the wind.

If it stops raining then hopefully the fields will clear and the paths will dry, but looking at the forecast I would expect it to be much the same if not slightly worse next Saturday.  



27/01/2013 at 12:23

Thanks for that, very useful report, Peter, I have now accepted the fact that this is going to be a very boggy 50 miles, innov8 mudclaws for me I think.

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