The SNOD ultra runnig thread

WiB wrote (see)

 

I am curious about a 24 hour track race for the pure simplicity of it but not for me at the moment. Never say never though.

Yep that has been me for several years now curious and I somhow think overcoming the mental challenge would be immensley satisfying but what worries me is the potential damge that the constant rythm may do to my body over 24 hrs.

Fellrunner wrote (see)

WiB wrote (see)

 

I am curious about a 24 hour track race for the pure simplicity of it but not for me at the moment. Never say never though.

Yep that has been me for several years now curious and I somhow think overcoming the mental challenge would be immensley satisfying but what worries me is the potential damge that the constant rythm may do to my body over 24 hrs.

This is an intriguing question FR. My query would be how does it compare to say the lakeland 100 or other - for most people - 24hr+ hilly trail events? I know there are a few pretty good 24h track runners at my club (past and present), but I've only really talked to one of them and he never has really done a very long ultra trail so can't really answer. I know the other guy does a few ultra trails, but doesn't train with club much so rarely see him to pose the question - will if I do.

I can imagine the constant rythm could hurt or damage, but like other forms of extreme endurance is it going to go unnoticed until later? There isn't the exertional force of downhilling like on the trails, but the trails offer a variety of surfaces and grades of hill and flat to work a variety of muscles and somewhat even out the "battering" I suppose. The RR50 on Saturday hurt a lot less the next day (barring knee) than HM60, which may just be explained by 13 less miles and many hours less on feet. In turn HM60 hurt less than 50 mile I did of TDS - but this is just how much it hurt during, after and how long I took to recover.... which does the more damage long term I'm not sure how you'd find out 

e.g. an extreme example but.... the theory amongst Tour de France competitors that the effort of a tour takes a year off your life, a tour that leaves you wrecked and a in a bad way a few years. Like I say an extreme example I know and I know were not talking about premature death here really, but thought it worth mentioning.

Probably the drugs having that affect on life expectancy more than the cycling DE Some valid points though and I imagine a month of grinding out some of those stages puts a lot of stress on the body that doesn't always show up in immediate post stage/race fatigue. However, the body is very clever and does shut down as neessary when you are working it too hard so as long as you are below that level are you ok?

In terms of recovery, from personal experience, the race I have taken longest to recover from is London marathon. Even Dartmoor discovery at 32 miles on road was a much faster recovery. Maybe suggesting that change of gradient may help spread the work? Trail races seem to be better still. For example, after this weekend I could walk fine Sunday and I probably could have been back running on Monday. I have just chosen to wait an extra couple of days. So is that a combination of varying gradient and varying terrain? To be honest I really don't know, just some thoughts!

How much does your head play a part in it? because I expect a long road race to beat my legs up more does that have an effect? If I have more fun on trails and am more relaxed as a result does that help?

Good point WiB, I'd forgot that Hull marathon this year probably screwed my legs up more than any long trail run I did. But, some of the pain of road its probably mental.

Had my delivery of super-cheap vivobarefoot Breatho's from SportsPursuit (worth a look) to have a potter around with over the winter. Whatever people's opinions on the idea of a barefoot trainer, its minimal material and I've paid an accordingly minimal price so I'm happy. And so will be baby when he/she/it born and we can afford to feed and clothe the little cherub

And if they are a load of crap, then I can just use for short runs to extend the life of my inov8's a bit

Will be interested to hear how you get on with them DE... taking them anywhere rough? Stones/chalk/rock etc?

Unfortunately not, will just be compacted trail and maybe some grass and mild mud for first outing. I'm sure the shoes will be upto wilder terrain as I've been wearing them walking around and they fit snugly and grip. However, I don't think my legs will be upto it right now, I have a dodgy knee to rest after a year of quite hard wear and tear. Hoping a lighter schedule for a few weeks will put me back on track.

Well, enjoy a steady end to the year DE. You have had some great results and some tough races so the legs deserve a little down time!

An easy week for me this week then my year consists of one more race (Endurancelife Dorset CTS) but it will really be 3 months of focusing on Rocky Raccoon 100 which is Feb 2nd.

Rocky Racoon record :-

Ian Sharman 2011 dominated an elite-laden field with a blistering and untouchable pace, finishing in 12:44:33. For anyone who is keeping count, that’s 7:38 minute/mile pace for an entire 100 miles!

Going for it WiB?

By the way being a Fatalist I dont think there is any such thing as premature death when you time is up then that`s youre lot.

I have to agree though for a lot of folk drugs do help fate to run it`s course.

Yep enjoy your well earned rest EUPH

Happy Daze

I may pass on it this year FR! If I could do 7:38 for 50 miles I would be chuffed

Planning a route this is good :-

http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm

best used early in the day to try and beat OS limits

That looks very cool FR! Good spot. I can see the OS map and the satellite image but says it has reached its limit for the day. I will try to take a proper look in the morning

Right  I have dug my Kathoola`s, x-c ski`s and boots, thermals etc, and had a Stainless Steeel exhaust system fitted to my camper SO BRING ON WINTER AND LETS HAVE SOME FUN

Nice tool that, about time somebody merged an OS and Google image map route planner.

amazing that is FR..Im being dense..how do you use it?

think ive cracked it..not that it was that hard to crack mind

its amazing!

Yes it is a good tool and a great learning aid for folk that don`t realise or know how to inetepret an OS map.

Snow on Blencahtra and Skiddaw today in fact it was on other hills in the lakes as well.

Happy Daze

Hows the snow FR? I guess unlike hear once its fallen on high it mostly stays there for good until next year now in varying degrees of depth? I know I found loads about 11months ago on a trip over. Makes the outings that bit more challenging and special.

Still bobbing along, did near 15m in the vivobarefoots at weekend and could feel calves quite a bit more worked than in my usual trail shoees and felt a few more stones, tree roots through the sole too. Not unpleasent through, especially as over double the distance I've tried in a flat shoe before.

Just Rudolph's Romp left in my calender this year, anybody else heading over for?

EUPH the last couple of days have been glorious with crisp clear days and snow on the fells, good clear nightime skys and a good moon so some excellent early morning/nightime running to be had,  I don`t expect it to last as rain is forecast tommorow and the snow has not had time to consolidate.

Glad you are enjoying the vivobarefoots just don`t do to much to soon in them and suffer injury build the distance gradually (but you know that).

No Rudolph or organised event for me for a while just concertrating on building a good solid base and endurance for now.

What are other folk doing?