The ultra runners tool kit

Next thing on my list is waterproof bottoms.

Tiago Hefner 2 wrote (see)

I've never fully understood that one to be fair, we do have to shave our faces and necks every day.

my other half had laser treatment about 10 yrs ago

 she now uses an epilady for about 5 mins about once every 3 months

seren..every 2 WEEKS?.... i do mine and it lasts for 2 MONTHS!! lol..and like veggie boy says above, i have an epilator tht takes few minutes if needed..im not very hursuit though fortunately, and blonde doesnt show  anyway lol.....seren have you tried the epilators..no more painful thn waxing really

I think it best that I do not get involved in the shaving conversation

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So, is the OMM 20L Adventure Light backpack overkill? - I'm aiming for the NDW 50M in 2012 and the Lakeland 50 in 2013. Presently using a 5L pack which will be fine for the London 50K, I think. My inlaws have offered to get me the 20 L for Christmas. Going to have another look at it this week.

Also, anyone know anywhere in the Bromley/Croydon area or alternatively the Manchester area where I can go try on some of the Marmot jackets to find what size I need? I think I'll want to have a proper waterproof with me in case it's raining cats & dogs on 19th February.

James: really useful. Yes, I thought I'd have another look at the 20L and how well it bungeed down if not full. Thanks for the tip re. Blacks to look at Marmot sizing - I can get to one of those.

Loulabell: I'm thinking if you are fine with the XS I maybe need the S to allow for a couple of layers underneath if necessary? (Thinking ahead to winter runs and possible Lakeland 50 training weekends in what might be 'oribble weather). I'm hoping to get one relatively cheaply online, but do not want to find I've got the wrong size and have to send it back. I'm size 10 with reasonably broad shoulders (sometimes need to buy size 12 to allow for that) - I recall you're smaller than me.

 debra, i got mine on the Likeys website..reduced from abt £35 to 19:99...wantd it as i dnt have anything even windproof really..it fits me really well, quite narrow in fit id say and fitted shape . im usually a 4/6 or kids age 12 so id say prob small would be ok for you . the layers i tried under mine were close fitting so nothing bulky and it has a collar tht stands up a bit which is nice. packs into a little bag. there were only blue or rusty red colour left but i wasnt too fussed abt tht, it was the fit i needed. there is a clear pic of it on likeys website which shows nack and front view etc..

I agree, they look nice!!

Would agree with LLB re jacket size - i'm a size 6 usually so a bit bigger than LLB, I have the XS which I can get a couple of layers under but they are not thick ones plus, despite having a v narrow back I have wide shoulders for my frame (call me strange!!) so this size fits perfectly but couldn't get a thick layer under it.

I've got OMM ultra 15 which does me fine for pretty much everything - has a bungy that goes across the back that lets me pull it in when I have hardly anything in it except for my bladder.

LLB - think you were asking about shoulder holsters for bottles on other page (can't remember what's being posted where so apologies for getting REALLY confused!).  I don't know if you can buy general fittings that fit on any bag, I think OMM and poss Raidlight have some kind of system for their bags. Was starting to think about this myself as although I use a bladder, it's a complete pain to refil when you go through checkpoints, especially if you don't really need to properly stop. Would much rather NOT have to open up/unpack my bag.  Otherwise I guess it's time to get creative with elastic and make your own holsters!! I'd quite like to get the pack that snaps on the front of my OMM sac so I can store more raisins etc in there plus a map to save me trying to run with it in my hand all the time.

This thread or the other, some talk of food on the go - I eat honey sandwiches, tried peanut butter but find it really dry unless I've got jam in there too.  I also love peanuts/raisins/chocolate drop mixes with some coffee beans thrown in for a bit of bitterness and a kick amongst the sweetness, bit crunchy but seemed to work ont he Northumberland one.

thanks cragc, yes i went for the raisin/choc combo yesterday, was nice, pretzels mixed in were ok too!

i thought i was sounding a bit lazy when i said abt the holsters for the front but im same as you , i hate the faff of having to stop and undo things and refill is even worse !! its such a pain! but the bit you mentioned clipping on your pack sounds loike the kind of thing i want.

Well, that's been an interesting read since my last post.  Some of it unexpected kit I hadn't thought about .

Jackets : as I expect I said in my original posts I have two OMM w/p jackets which are both good and have fully taped seams and adjustable, wire-peaked hoods:

• softshell - Kamleika (also the trousers) - very stretchy, comfortable, and quiet - a little clammy - 300g and the all-important hydrostatic head 20 000 mm. 
• shell - Cypher - eVent fabric - rustles a little - feels like a "coat" which can be offputting when running - BUT very breathable, most breathable w/p I've worn - 280g (medium), hydrostatic head 40 000 mm (which is a very big column of water, rather similar to the ones coming out of the sky at the moment) - includes waterproof pockets.

The smocks for both of these can be bought for a further weight saving of 40g.

Starting to get a frightening thread when people are talking about "only" doing a single Ironman!!