Ultra gear . Whats missing?

What new gear we would like to see in 2013

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16/12/2012 at 20:55

Ultra gear seems to be designed by the top runners to help them go faster.

This is all very well but the requirements for the top runners on a race are not the same for us mortals bringing up the rear who are running for  twice as long and usually with no support team. I have a couple of suggestions.

1 --Race pack with serious carrying capacity within easy reach on the front.(Salomon are almost there but have low volume and an emphasis on min weight) . For a stiff old bugger like me I need to grab water bottles and food without taking my pack off (front clip on bags make taking off your pack a real pain)

 2--Combined gortex hood and short cape to cover your head and the pack to prevent rain getting between you and your pack yet allowing maximum ventilation.

 3--Method of preventing rain seeping between gortex gloves and top over prolonged periods.

 4--Cushioned long ultra shoes (good cushioning) with built in gaiters and a waterproof seal on the calf that lets you go through deep water with no leaks. La Sportiva are almost there but are not cushioned enough for 100mile+ races.

Anyone else got any wishes. You never know someone in design world might be reading this thread.

 

17/12/2012 at 11:52
Cushioned shoes that aren't stiff and actually enable your foot to flex and air to flow!

A back pack with a shorter back length for short people with adequate storage and an easy opening clip! Again salomon almost there but the pack is slightly too long for me and I have callouses on my fingers from the stiff clip, also if the zips on the side Pockets opened the other way I think it might be easier to open and close!!!
17/12/2012 at 16:19
GPS watch that can cater with 100 milers and In excess of 24hr use!
WiB
17/12/2012 at 16:31

Suunto Ambit? Garmin fenix?

WiB
17/12/2012 at 19:11

I'm with touie on the shorter back-length packs ... or just a few more women specific bits of kit ... preferably things that don't break the bank in the process!!  On the subject of packs Touie I have a Nathan vest which is fab for short races and fits like a dream (I am not very tall or large, I can't remember what their larger packs are like but going on this one I'd definitely recommend.

I guess if all else fails, we have to design ourselves! ... I have doctored my OMM 15 so the straps fit crossing my front as I can't get them tight enough and it works OK.

17/12/2012 at 19:18

I had a Nathan vest on my Amazon Wish List and it's magically disappeared

Probably not to everyones taste but white compression gear for women for when it's really hot!!! Not sure if I'd like it or not but it seems to be something they make for men but not women? s-lab cerainly don't cater for women!!!

 

eta: ok so I found these but they just look like you have a nappy on  http://www.play.com/Sports-Outdoors/Sports/4-/38364545/2XU-Women-s-Compression-Tri-Shorts/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:38364659%7Cprd:38364659

Edited: 17/12/2012 at 19:31
17/12/2012 at 19:52
Raidlight have (used to have?) a backpack system with a decent add on front pack
17/12/2012 at 22:40

touie - I ended up with a pair of mens compression shorts (skins 200) ones from chain reaction cycles last year (white) ... got REALLY annoyed that the majority of the ladies ones are actually quite short in length ... surely the whole point of compression is that it needs to cover most of the muscle, not just the top few " of quad!!!  end of rant!

Amazon wish list ... now I wish I'd thought of that one!

17/12/2012 at 23:44

 Self modification of kit is one way forward for packs. I am about to sew my Raidlight bottle holder to the shoulder strap of my Raidlight run 30.( Fitted normally it bounces to much.)

 On the shorter back length for women I can see it can be a problem. Running packs do seem to be getting shorter and with the move to the vest like front storage model,  it should be possible to make a really short balanced pack.

18/12/2012 at 08:34

The other problem with packs for women is just the length of the straps etc - I can pull the waist belt in on my OMM pack and it's still not really tight enough - hence the self-modification, and then you have to use plastic ties to capture all the spare strap that is flapping around in vile weather!

It should be possible to make an appropriately balanced/sized pack, and I would have thought with the enormous growth in this kind of event market, there is enough of a call for this sort of kit (ie not wanting to invest in making stuff that is not for a mass market). sometimes I think womens kit is still considered a bit of a niche market. Plus a lot of the smaller kit also works for slighter guys and more youthful entrants into these events.

Bouncing of bottles is what has always put me off the idea of the shoulder-strap mounted ones ... one of the other things I like about my Nathan pack is the way the bladder has a clip to hold the tube/mouthpiece in place etc

20/12/2012 at 08:28

Less gear. One size fits all in most things except shoes.

That way there will be less agonising and fewer "what shoes should I wear?" posts on forum threads. Manufacturers could then pass on the economies of scale and stop charging us around £100 and rising for a pair of fell shoes that are fairly cheap to manufacture.

In Liptrot's Republic the only car would be a Nissan Micra and everyone gets one free.

20/12/2012 at 08:32

. Yes I was pretty shocked at how much shoes seem to have gone up. Spend half my time trawling on internet to find stuff at reasonable prices ... so would up generally productivity at home ... less reason to be trawling on internet!!

Edited: 20/12/2012 at 08:32
20/12/2012 at 09:52
Cc I'm with you on all the points abt women's kit. I think I'm abt your size, and I always have the backpack strap issues. As mentioned above though I've taken to modifying kit myself. I hate bottles bouncing abt do waist belts are a no no for me. Nathan vest is perfect fort size and I can fit a slim bottle in the right hand front pocket without it annoying me. Agree tht Solomon really don't do a lot of female compression gear to choose from, shame as I like their designs. I've taken to hacking trainers too now. A pair of nikes were rubbing my ankle bone where the eyelets were pressing , out came the penknife and bye bye metal eyelets - perfect! Definately backpacks could go wth better design for for front storage .
20/12/2012 at 17:56

I reckon everyone should run naked so no problems then1

20/12/2012 at 18:11

 Re front strap bottle storage. If the bottle holders are built into the straps and the cross chest strap is in the correct position then they don,t bounce . The Raidlight Olmo 20 works really well  as the 2 bottles go a long way to balance the weight of the pack contents  resulting in the pack riding higher up your back .Volume of 20l requires serious ramming in of kit for mountain marathons. I think there is a smaller "Olmo" which could be useful  for women in events that require less kit.The front straps also have storage for energy bars and gels .

21/12/2012 at 09:45

Race vests have come on a long way in the last while.  For those wanting bottles on the front which are sewn on and more stable, there the Raidlight Olmos (5l up to 20) or the new Ultimate Direction Signature Series.

For those who prefer bottles on the back/hips, there's the UltrAspire range.  Given all these new contenders I expect Salomon and Nathan may release some updated products to compete as these other ones are moving the game on quite a bit.

08/01/2013 at 19:25
A lot of the pics that I see of ultra runners have packs with bottles on the front straps. Is there an issue with using bladders like camel backs??? I've only ran with these and they seem fairly stable....does the majority of you guys prefer front bottles... Out of interest
GKD
08/01/2013 at 20:33
It's personal preference BF, some chop and change depending on the race, distance between aid stations, whether they're Racing it or just using it as a training run etc etc.
Personally iffy heading out for a training run of more that three or four hours I'll use my salomon pack with bladder, less than that I'll use a hand held
GKD
GKD
08/01/2013 at 20:35
Almost forgot, if I'm doing a mountain race I'll use bottles attached to the front of my pack so I can refill them easily from streams and suchlike.
It's worth mentioning raid light sell the bottle holders separately if you want to try them out, I have them on an OMM pack
GKD
08/01/2013 at 22:24
I see. Thanks Lirish, I had a feeling it mite be due to speed of refills .
In my case I don't think the speed of the refil we have any bearing on my final time !!! ????
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