wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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19/01/2013 at 22:13

Alistair ..i looked at that last week,but its to close to another event that id like to do,The Three Peaks Challenge [highest 3 peaks in Scot,Eng and Wales in 24 hrs],

Will meet up next weekend for a run if your free ?

19/01/2013 at 22:29

Next weekend will be spot on DAYTREKKER, look forward to it. 

20/01/2013 at 18:57

Pleased to have manged 30 snowy miles today, if rather slowly (wish my posterior tibial tendon would settle down properly). We have about 4-5 inches of snow now, so should make for a fun run tomorrow to give my final B2B before TT50 (I had some leave to use up so I have the day off).

What did everyone else do today?

20/01/2013 at 19:41
Well done!

No running for me today, I did 11 yesterday very tiring going uphill in the snow although going down was fun! I've still got a bruised foot so have been resting it today, the downside to snow is that you can't see what you are stepping on!!! Not sure whether to try the pavements tomorrow with my yaktrax really need to avoid stones and roots!
20/01/2013 at 20:39

The Belvoir looks great. May not be saying a lot on the website, but if from previous experiences people feel like VIPs then hats off to them. Has to be better than a premier event from others  Shame its so far away

Split my 20mi in two, ten in the morning ten in the evening (to come) looking a bit snowy out there now...... Hoping it clears in the next fortnight before next race. Looks like this w/e was a whiteout for most races. Not good for running clubs depending on the income though

Whats the pros and cons with Strava over Garmin are you finding Alistair if you care to share? 

20/01/2013 at 21:57

touie2: thanks. Hope the bruise settles soon.

21/01/2013 at 19:44

Slaneuk - Strava, few things I really like about Strava:

1) Segments - any reasonable climb is recorded and your time up it is automatically put into the leaderboard (any other Strava runner who has run the same ascent) for that segment, you also get a contrast and compare on your fastest times on the segment.


2) It provides an Activity Feed, much like a Facebook feed for people who you are following, great to see what your running buddies are up to. 

3) You can sign up to all sorts of challenges:


4) Paired with a heart rate monitor, gives you a 'suffer score' which is fun:


5) Converts your pace uphill / downhill to a Grade Adjusted Pace:


I think it does some pretty fancy cycling stuff but i have not used that, as my bike remains an expensive cellar decoration (just ask MRS Stewart)

Some of the features have found their way through to Garmn I think. 



Edited: 21/01/2013 at 19:45
22/01/2013 at 20:24

strava doesn't support my timex watch T_T

23/01/2013 at 07:34

aw cragc- hope you are ok ! take it weasy, yes the bike sounds good idea til it feels better. thats what running faster does to me- always end up with niggles- that must be myold age telling me something i think!!

23/01/2013 at 08:16

cragchick: sympathies, and good luck for speedy healing - give it a few days. Also, if you're doing some self-massage, as well as workig on the peroneal (including right up just below the knee, check the posterior tibial (the opposing muscle) - I've got a posterior tibial tendon problem at the moment and certainly in the early stages when I started massaging I realised the peroneal was tender as well.

23/01/2013 at 16:45

Thx for that Alistair, very interesting. I think the only one that would interest me would be the convertion to adjusted pace. The only true comparisons, I find, are in race conditions so comparing training runs doesnt do it for me. I'm not hugely interested in others training runs unless I'm there with them. And as for heart rate things, I gave up on measuring that years ago when I found it was staying the same during hard sessions.

Take it easy CC. I find as a rule of thumb when I have an injury, I wait til it gets better then add another weeks recovery time to be sure.

24/01/2013 at 23:06


My first ultra in May dukeries 40m, I'm a bit worried my current weekly milage is a bit low @ 30 miles a week? The weather is not helpful. My intention was to be at about 50 miles a week by april. Also my long runs are only 16 miles, feel i should be a bit further ahead & doing 20 miles. I'm starting to panic a bit

25/01/2013 at 00:07

Rosko we are almost in the same position, except I will be doing 50M in march..
Friends ask me if I can do the race, i have no confident at all..  

25/01/2013 at 09:05

Rosko, Eldred, Hi! Suggest you go to http://www.ultramarathonrunning.com/training/ and look up some 50-mile training programmes to see how you're doing - an easy one to follow (from my experience) is http://www.trailrunevents.com/ul/schedule-50m.asp (Ultraladies 50 mile schedule), which uses a "two weeks hard, one weekeasy" approach. There's also a good schedule for training for races about this length (40 miles to 100K) in Bryon Powell's book "Relentless Forward Progress", reaching a peak at 51 miles per week.

Before my first 50 in August I worked up to e.g. 30+12 and a few weeks over 50 miles per week. I've got Thames Trot 50 in just over a week and I've not managed as much running, due to injury, but I did manage 30 +10 last Sunday/Monday (with the 30 in snow reaching 4 inches deep), so I'm feeling I should be okay so long as my injured ankle holds out...

Don't forget you're allowed to walk during the long runs - I use "walk the uphills", mostly, although some people use e.g. "run 25 mins, walk five" - it's getting lots of "time on feet" that's important, not speed.

Psychologically, I find it good to either set myself a long run over part of the course of the race I'll be doing (so for NDW50 I did one run which was the first half, another which was the second half), or to have a long loop or out-and-back such that you know you're heading for home now! - that can make the last few miles easier.

And don't forget to practice eating and drinking while you run/walk, and carrying your foot/water/emergency clothing with you - the day of your race shouldn't be the first time you wear your backpack!

And don't forget to take time to look around you while you're out on the trails, and enjoy it!

25/01/2013 at 10:13

Thank Debra

I am pretty used to my backpack and gears as there are regular long distance hiking stuff. I have done a few 10hrs+ day hike. 

Troubled by a miss footing last week.. I think I would do fine, just amount of pain involved to finish the run. worst come to worst I would just DNF the race, wont push my self going through unnecessary harm to my body

25/01/2013 at 15:56

Debra, thanks for that link - that's going to help me greatly!

26/01/2013 at 16:13
Eldred Lee wrote (see)

I think I would do fine, just amount of pain involved to finish the run. worst come to worst I would just DNF the race, wont push my self going through unnecessary harm to my body

eldred-- i think WIB and i would say .......FINISH!!!! no DNF!!

26/01/2013 at 17:57

Great info Debra thanks.

Managed 17 miles in the snow today although it had mostly turned to slush by the end of the run, feeling more confident that i can notch the milage up on the long runs now. 


26/01/2013 at 18:02

Eldred, Snap!, Rosco: you're welcome.

Started our parkrun this morning with another stern warning for runners to be careful, because kids tobogganing had turned areas of snow into sloping ice rinks! By the time we'd finished processing the results, it had mostly melted and the route was muddy again...

27/01/2013 at 18:39


 The Angel of North guards the entry to a hidden path. The hills on horizon mark what will be the turning point on the Tyne and Wear Fat Ass later this year. 

Yesterdays run was part of an 18 mile run in the snow. It was knee deep at the 10 mile point  

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