wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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WiB
22/03/2013 at 20:49
Its on every other page so not actually that far to go back.
WiB
22/03/2013 at 21:37

..its like the Twighlight zone in here isnt it.......

22/03/2013 at 21:38

touie, duct tape doesnt hold for long-they tried that on me!

22/03/2013 at 21:39

Hi Tigs*waves*

22/03/2013 at 21:53
Not me who mentioned back packs this time. Im still looking though. ...
22/03/2013 at 22:12

OK, I'll wait a couple of days and then ask about backpacks. 

 

Debra: The fit is actually quite different between the models. I've got the Bikila, KSO and the new waterproof one (essential for the winter) and they all fit differently. KSO is definitely the most generous.

WiB: I'm a 100kg ex rugby player, speed is not really even on my radar! All I'm after is not being in pain after a long run and until I tried running in vibrams that wasn't really possible. I've toyed with the minimalist shoes with a bit more cushioning but I honestly haven't needed it so far. My long runs are 30k at the moment so that may change.

I have to say I am genuinely surprised at the number of people in minimalist shoes. When I've spoken to people about it before it has been a fairly negative response. 

 

Anyway, about those backpacks.......

 

Dean

 

WiB
23/03/2013 at 06:59
Dean - I race in minimalist shoes. Have done up to 100 in them without problem. I couldn't do it in my 5 fingers without a lot more training in them

Interested in how you get on.
WiB
23/03/2013 at 08:11

Dean i think more and more runners are trying the minimal shoes but i guess they dont suit all and it depends on the distance you feel comfortable in wearing them. i prefer minimals now and did a short ultra in 4mm before going to zeros. can do 20+ at the moment in zeros but yet to see wether 50miles is ok or not -it may be put to the test in May!

23/03/2013 at 09:31

I am with WIB and LLB, would love to really push the distance out in zero drop shoes, I quite fancy a pair of Luna Sandals however find that for longer stuff I still need 3mm to 4mm of drop. I have just bought some Vivo Barefoots (£16 sports direct BARGAIN), and will be using them for one or two shorter runs a week, I think to 'transition' properly I would need to scrub off the race calendar, fall right back on the mileage and just focus on making that change, which I may do after MDS next year.

Ruby Muir seems to have it down though - http://www.irunfar.com/2013/03/2013-tarawera-uitramarathon-results.html

Backpacks - I'd love to contribute however I feel a bit out of date, not bought one for some time. Away from specific packs I like to have either a bladder and bottle set-up where the checkpoints are some distance apart i.e. 10+ miles or two bottle set-up where checkpoints are closer so that I can have water and sports drink on tap. Other considerations for me are hip pockets, compression strapping, lack of 'bottle bounce' and ease of access to the bottle(s).

Edited: 23/03/2013 at 09:33
23/03/2013 at 11:09

I have come to some surprising conclusions with regard to cushioning in shoes. 

I don't think that it does much in terms of absorbing shock when your body weight slams down on the foot, but it is very effective at protecting the foot from rocks and tree roots and other hard objects that you can step on. 

I am therefore happy to use minimalist shoes in road races including the longer ones, but my trail shoes are all models with a bit of cushioning. 

I have ran distanced up to 20 miles in Teva sandals, when my feet have been badly swollen in the aftermath of races. 

Edited: 23/03/2013 at 11:12
23/03/2013 at 15:11

Ben , i agree with you re: the cushioning issue. despite the size of a person its still a lot of impact going through hips, knees,ankles . i get away with doing long distance in zeros a little more perhaps as i dont weigh much but still its hammering shins etc.  i have inov8 bare x lites and love them but not sure how they would fair on really rough terrain. NDW will probably be fine if like last year but anything rockier than that i reckon id want a little more perhaps on the toe area to protect painful cracked toes!

Ali, i didnt really transition the way i should have ie few miles and build up, i kinda went ..5...10...16...22...22..24...lol

23/03/2013 at 16:38

That is interesting what you feel about the impact. I am almost certain I will be one of the bigger runners (or joggers or idiots take your pick) on here and I kind of think that its all about form. I don't feel like my shins take a hammering at all in the vibrams. The calf has to work harder but as long as I watch my form I really don't feel it the way I did when I tried to run in 'normal' shoes. Again only in runs up to 30k so we'll see how that works as I move on but pretty much all my running is on pavement so I'd expect to feel it already if it was going to be bad.

I agree about the protection for toes off road. I ran a trail in my KSOs which are pretty minimal kicked a rock and that was me for a week until the swelling went down. I have the waterproof vibrams and they seem much more protective. There is a much bigger protection at the toe and if I was running off road again those are definitely what I would be wearing!

 

WiB
23/03/2013 at 19:53

Dean - I agree. They do force you to be lighter on your feet and I think regardless of size and weight people are capable of being heavy footed or lightfooted. Running correctly (although I don't like using the word correctly as it suggest other running methods are wrong and I am not 100% convinced on that yet) in them is key.

I will build up my mileage in them and enjoy doing so but I don't see them ever becoming my every day or race shoe.

WiB
23/03/2013 at 22:27

After 30 miles I dont give a shit what my running form is.   I just want my feet to be comfortable.   Also not convinced that it is right to change your running style.   You run that way for a reason.

24/03/2013 at 15:41

Not to rerun the whole debate but that reason could be you have been jammed in padded shoes when you were learning to run. Heel striking is not natural. Try and do it barefoot which is how we have evolved to run and you very soon realise that.

To be honest, the only reason to change or consider changing or do anything different at all is if you are having problems. I was and changing the way I ran was completely ther right thing to do. When I just picked up a pair of running shoes and started trying to run (after a visit to reputable running shop to help me pick my shoes) I was injured all the time. So I gave up.

When I started back running barefoot running was a new fad and I looked into it, and more importantly, I looked into the biophysics of running and gave it a go. It worked for me. No injuries and I run more and farther than I have ever run before. And the more I do it, the less I have to watch my form as my body learns how to do it for me.

 

24/03/2013 at 15:44

spen: I went minimalist deliberately to change my running style, because I decded it would be better for my knee and hip joints. I've not had any knee pain since I changed, and I did used to get knee pain, so it seems to have worked for me. It helps that the VB Neos are a better shape for my feet than ANY conventional running shoes I've found (Mizuno Genesis were okay, but they were so basic that running shoe shops didn't stock them, and then they stopped making them). I now have an arch (I've developed some foot muscle), and I think my feet are much stronger. And I hate conventional shoes now (for me) because they feel like planks of wood strapped to my feet - no flexibility. But then I used to hillwalk in the Lake District in Teva sandals while everyone else was in hiking boots and telling me I needed ankle support).

WIB: I have bought the Inov8 Trailroc 235s for Lakeland 50 because I wanted just a bit more padding on those rocks - while I find the VB Neo Trail fine for NDW or SDW. Interesting what you say about running in Teva sandals.

24/03/2013 at 16:06
I doubt there's a right shoe for everyone or a right running form for everyone, it's individual I imagine, but like a golf swing or free kick technique I think most of us could benefit from focusing on our individual styles to improve efficiency and reduce imbalances etc. I doubt many of us run perfectly without having to work on it, and just racking up the miles probably isn't the way. Just my opinion though.
25/03/2013 at 01:36

All a matter of opinion.   I wear support shoes and the only time I get injured is when i wear them for to long and Wear them out.   I for one sm not risking changing at the moment.    Got a big year planned.   I may change my mind,  normally do  haha

25/03/2013 at 11:23

Maxamilist i say.

Hokas all day long (and night usually)

WiB
25/03/2013 at 11:24

How were your feet after TP Dill?

Cracking effort at the weekend, well done.

WiB
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