wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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05/12/2013 at 02:21

ss - Well, while you're in Dubai I hear the Burj Khalifa has got quite a few stairs!

05/12/2013 at 09:38

does anyone go through phases maybe after a bad run or 2 of being fed up and bored with running? How do you get it back? It's not me its my training partner and I have visions of all next years plans going out the window, don't know what to suggest!

05/12/2013 at 10:07

Yeah, after a few races close together this year I just didn't really want to run. So I didnt. Take a few days off and most likely they will want to head out for a run again sometime soon!

05/12/2013 at 10:36

I think there have probably been too many races close together, no time for more than a week off, maybe I'll suggest that for next week! have cts ultra to get through first!

05/12/2013 at 16:26
Hi touie!
06/12/2013 at 06:53
Hi I've been lurking!!! was thinking about you the other day! I changed my SDW 50 entry to the NDW 50 instead!!!
Edited: 06/12/2013 at 06:53
09/12/2013 at 01:34

So when you are planning on running a distance for a 1st time how do you work out your timing just wing it or is McMillan still reasonably accurate / worth a peek at 100k sort of distances?

i did 50m in just under 12h but was sick on the day and think If i had different food plans and was feeling well that I could have cracked 11h did a 4:36 marathon 3 weeks later, so looking at the wall next summer at 69m 

trying to come up with a ballpark target, as it gives me something to aim at / gives me a clue for timings. Does 17-18 hours sound a sensible sort of target to try to aim for? 

So thinking for my 50 was suggested I go through halfway in marathon plus half hour sort of time? for 69 m is it much slower than a 50 or similar sort of speed and just wing it

EDIT: McMillan seems to think around 15:30-16:00 seems a target.  Which is actually only around 7km per hour which seems ridiculously slow, as i've been doing heart rate training recently where 8km in an hour with an average heart rate of 122 is something i've been doing which I find really interesting as i feel so fresh  So I guess I really should be looking closer to 16 then 18 hours as an A goal.

Edited: 09/12/2013 at 10:45
09/12/2013 at 10:56

hehe, it's depressing how slow I am, some people could walk it faster than i'm going to do it.  But, in fairness my normal leisurely walk is actually borderline 3 MPH so it would take me 23 hours just walking it, and eating on the go.

09/12/2013 at 12:02

OK.... Plan sorted. Might be wrong but I have it now.  7:30 per km / 12 minute miles with 60 minutes of breaks spread over the 6 rest points, and an A target of sub 15 hours, my B target is 17:30 and C Target is 23:59:59


09/12/2013 at 21:31

I think 15 hrs is a goodplan booktrunk, good to have the back up plan as well. It can really help mentally to have that in place so if you do look like missing plan A you don't get too despondent which can wreck the last part of the race. Also you have a bit more experience and should hopefully be able to fine tune the food/nutrition strategy to avoid stomach issues.
And like your plan C it's all about finishing!

09/12/2013 at 22:05

Thanks Jeremy

it sounds daft as it's so far away but it is a little load off my mind. I now know what I'm aiming for. 

Now have next year up to the end of summer sorted.

May sub 4:30 Marathon.

June The Wall with targets.

August Ridgeway challenge, only target to complete it.

Sept 21, Ladybower 50m ran to heart rate

Sept 28, Loch Ness marathon, giving it everything (100%) to beat Andi. 

10/12/2013 at 22:02

You seem to be missing January - May but some good races there - quite fancy Loch Ness but it is a long way from me.
I have Thames Trot Feb, The Grizzly March, London (sub 3?), May - Imrys Mara, June Dartmoor Discovery and Endure24.
Need to find a nice ultra for the Autumn as the good ones are filling fast!

10/12/2013 at 22:49

I'm in East Midlands miles away and cannot afford to fly at least I don't think I can, but it's a challenge..... It's a proper race him against me... Winner takes all, well a bottle of single malt will never have met until the start line love getting to know people on these forums

10/12/2013 at 22:53

I've done 3 marathons 5:30 4:57 and 4:36 he did 4:56 in his first, and he will run his second in April with his third and my 5th being Loch Ness

11/12/2013 at 00:54

I'm in Devon so I'd still have to drive to London, pay car park etc so it's not cheap. Drove up that way last year with family but we stopped a few days in the Lake District each way. Sadly poor planning as wrong date to do Loch Ness
My first was 4:43 - so painful I swore I'd not do another.......

11/12/2013 at 17:54
Hello Jeremy !! Nice too see you back * does a jingly wave * ????
11/12/2013 at 17:57
Book trunk , you have a nice list of events there , remember that amongst all the angst of kit , pace , cut offs and fuel - enjoy it !! Or what's the point
11/12/2013 at 18:14

Thanks loulabell very good point.

i have been doing some slower heart rate based trainjng and will until the new year loving it, as it's very slow and different a refreshing change  

eill have fun in early months sorting out equipment etc... basically nice wet gear 

12/12/2013 at 20:20

When I do a longer event, I break my plan down into segments. 

Lets take a 100 as an example. 

You might be able to run the first 25 miles at a pace close to your marathon pace, and you will be able to constrain when you hit this point pretty accurately. 

You would have to reduce your pace from miles 25-50,but you will still be able to constrain the time when you hit the 50 mile mark fairly accurately. 

From miles 50-100 you try to maintain whatever pace you can, but you cannot constrain when you will hit the 70, 80, or 90 mile mark.  You might have a good race and maintain a steady pace to the finish, or the wheels might come off the wagon to a greater or lesser extent.  Something going wrong at mile 70, or 80 can equate to an additional four hours on your finishing time. 

For the Wall I would break it down approximately into the following segments, and have a plan for each:

Miles 1-25 (obviously if there is a checkpoint at 24 miles it will be 1-24)

Miles 25-50

Miles 50-69 (might change dramatically if the wheels come off the wagon)

For the Ridgeway it would be:

Miles 1-25

Miles 25-50

Miles 50-87 (might change dramatically if the wheels come off the wagon)

I would suggest that you wait until after the May marathon and possible PB, before you draw up the plan. 

13/12/2013 at 08:46

Ben does it again cheers Ben.

50-87 I think i'm always thinking of splitting that into two halves haha i know it's only 36/37 miles   but i'm a bit of a wimp.

Ghod sat at my desk still drunk from last nights party.... it's going to be a looooong day.  I'm trying to think of it as mental practise

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