wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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06/06/2014 at 10:42

Oooh, great info guys, thank you.  

I will aim to keep CP's as efficient as possible, but if i reach a stage where I need a good rest, then sod it - I'm having one! 

My biggest concern is still navigating  - I expect that stopping to map read and the potential of getting lost will cause more issues with lost time.  

Geem - Last time I checked, beer was isotonic no?! 

06/06/2014 at 11:37

I've not done enough to know properly, but it really does seem to be a case of either keep them brief, or go for a whole proper rest, so quick as possible, or if you going to take a break make it a proper break.

07/06/2014 at 17:24
Dank-art wrote (see)

Do I need to invest in trail/road shoes for the Salisbury 54321 50km, currently traiming with my road shoes, have invested in a north face endure 13 hydration backpack, which seems very convenient and comfortable, 

I did this event last year as my 1st toe in the water of ultra. I wore trail shoes but the terrain was pretty good and compact, although quite rutted in places. Road shoes should do fine, unless it's wet. There are a good number of aid stations where you can top up water etc... 

09/06/2014 at 08:41

So this maybe a bit of an odd request, but after running the Southend half marathon yesterday in insanely hot temperatures, I suddenly realised my psychological state of mind is perhaps the weakest part of my running. It felt like I wanted to crumble around 7 miles in, even though this is my 3rd half marathon this year and I ran the London marathon in April . It's an odd feeling, perhaps doubting my ability to carry on and wanting to crumble to the ground. I put it down to the extreme heat and possibly running out of fuel, I was due for a energy gel around that time. But my question is does anyone have any tips or could point me at any books, websites that tackle strengthening yourself mentally. I have the 50km at Salisbury soon, and want to prepare myself mentally. 

09/06/2014 at 09:49

One thing you need to do is break down your race from a single 50k(31mile) down to a series of small runs between aid stations. I print out a list of them so I know how far to the next, and thats all I look at on the day. Example my last 31m was a series of 6.9, 6.6, 4.9, 6.5, 3.5 and 3.2 miles. Much easier to work out and deal with, especially if you have bad sections, you can restart at the next check point.

09/06/2014 at 10:22

CR - I had this exact conversation with a friend the other day.. She can break down a Marathon into manageable chunks, but I cannot 'park' any section of the Marathon.  even 3 miles from he line, she can think, right, only a 5k to go, but not me! 

I'm hoping that because we physically have to go through a check point in the ultra's that it will make it all a lot more manageable.  I believe it will, you can physically and mentally detach yourself from the last section and go for the next one.  

Dank-art - what do you think? 

09/06/2014 at 10:31

I tried answering this but deleted my answer three times...

It's a very individual thing, I do maths games in my head, that at times sound depressing but really help me, as I run along if i'm struggling i work out how big a percentage of the race each km is, as my watch is set to beep at the end of each km, so I use this and think that's another 3% or .8% hey i've done 38ish% so far that's not to bad....

If it's really falling apart then I do little mind games to get me to the end of the current km, then start again with the next km.  Get to the next km mark and have a swig of drink, or get to the next km mark, and have a walk, etc... the more i am struggling the shorter the distance is, but i'm always just challenging myself to get to the next x, and then as soon as I have hit the next km mark, it's have my treat or whatever, and then i cannot give in now, just get to the next km marker...

I find I have battles likes this sometimes, but usually the really bad times last for 3-5km and then things slowly feel a bit better.  then it's back to ohhh, i guess it's only about x distance to the next pit stop....

Also, basically I tell myself what is the point of quitting, I've somehow got to get back to the start or the end of my race to get the car etc... So basically, it's just as easy to keep plodding along in the race as it is quitting because i've still got to somehow get to the end of the race so i might as well doing running, or walking, or staggering along the course.

It's a confidence thing, you know you will eventually feel better than you do.  It's just finding a way with coping for the few really crappy minutes.

Edited: 09/06/2014 at 10:36
09/06/2014 at 12:23
Thanks for the advice, quite like the planning the check points idea, breaking it down is how I dealt with the marathon, I think my calf injury which reoccurred on the marathon at mile 15 knocked my confidence, and made it mentally very tough to carry on, but I did of course! Strange how with all the training and fitness and nutrition, once in the thick of the race small things can knock you mentally, like Mia counting miles left, which I did on Sunday, only by a mile, but it shook me a bit!
09/06/2014 at 12:36

And when it really gets tough, just break it down to "I'm going to run to the next tree/junction/footpath sign/etc." Before you know it you'll be at another checkpoint and have another good chunk of mileage ticked off!

When I'm struggling I tend to try to concentrate on my form, or force myself to think about something positive, or just something different. I figure that if you can occupy your mind with something else, then it has less opportunity to go to the dark places!

09/06/2014 at 12:56

One of the reasons I even contemplated entering my 50 was that the longest leg is 10 miles and I know I can do that for sure! 

10/06/2014 at 13:15

So my taper plan 5m, off, 5m, off, 10m, off, 4-5m, off, 4m, off, off, race. Seems reasonable to me  

10/06/2014 at 17:47

Sounds better than mine for the ultra tour of the peak district booktrunk.

Did a local half marathon on Sunday and had an ache in my foot come on at mile 12 which turned into agony and an inability to put weight on it for 2 days.

So now the taper is 2 weeks of no running and a whole years worth of wishes being used up...

10/06/2014 at 19:45

Good luck kallum!! 

10/06/2014 at 20:26

Seems reasonable to me too BT but what would I know!! 

Kallum, could you get a good sports massage or something, that might iron out the pain? 

10/06/2014 at 21:00

My taper for this week's sdw100 is no running and no sleep - due to the arrival of our first child on Thursday ???

10/06/2014 at 22:38

Last Thursday? 

Congrats, and if it's not and hoping to come this Thursday then Eeeeeeek

Edited: 10/06/2014 at 22:38
11/06/2014 at 01:49

Yeah, last Thursday. Thanks for the congrats. Not sure if the sleep deprivation is good training, or I'm just going to crash on Saturday - we'll see.

11/06/2014 at 12:33

Congrats Tiago - That's lovely news. 

11/06/2014 at 13:01

Thank you. Exciting times. 

11/06/2014 at 13:42

Congrats Tom  

Roni and I will see you at CP1 and CP4 Saturday 

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