wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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GKD
30/10/2013 at 00:05
If you can raise your average pace through speed work then that average will translate through the distances you run. You'll also get far more benefit from limited training time if you push your thresholds on your runs. Not every run of course but for the gains I'd suggest speed work is definitely worth it
GKD
WiB
30/10/2013 at 09:12
booktrunk wrote (see)

I'm an ultra newbie... So I'm sure I'll be corrected but from what I read the majority view seems to be it is not needed so don't worry.., BUT, if like in your case you want to keep doing speed work go for it. Most plans seem to be more hills then speed but isn 't hill/speed work similar in what it achieves?

 

Whhhatttt??!!? 

I'm firmly in the "faster running is best" camp. For the reasons GKD says plus, it builds strength, improves form, puts your legs through a much wider range of movement, adds variety to your running... and if you want to get sciency then something about lactate threshold and VO2 max... but most of all, its great fun

WiB
30/10/2013 at 12:11

Thanks for the advice. it's greatly appreciated. Sadly, it won't be the end of my questions lol.

My marathon training plan is this - Mondays cross training/recovery. Tue  Club Threshold Trg, Weds medium distance steady, Thurs - Club interval trg - Friday - Rest, Sat - Tempo run, Sun - Long run.

My plan is, to increase the distances for the Tuesday Threshold and turn the Saturday tempo into another long run. I will be doing it along the banks of the Foss as training for the TT. It's quite hilly in places -  the total ascent is 1194ft. So I'm hoping it should put me in good stead.

For my long runs and Half marathons, I've always ran with a pack on my back, and did so at SNOD this year. It pretty much includes, drink, food/gels and warm kit. It weighs I would say about 8kg in total. How much weight do you tend to carry on average ultra?

 

30/10/2013 at 16:42
WiB wrote (see)

 but most of all, its great fun

hehe that sounds the most awesome reason.

30/10/2013 at 17:34

I loath speed work but love hills - so I try and do a hill session every week plus a tempo run - is as close as I'll get to a speed session!! Then mix my long runs up between flat disused railway and forest, hilly mountains and not-quite-so hilly fells. 

Definitely noticed a difference this year from hill work, especially the work of running hard DOWN the hills.

Not sure how much my pack usually weighs, will have to weight it and see - depends on how remote the race is.

 

30/10/2013 at 18:13

Ditto that cc. I'm not a fan of speed work either, but I love hills. Hills are speed work in disguise, especially if you push it on the downs rather than using them to recover.

I'm a big advocate of doing what you enjoy in training, gotta make it fun.

30/10/2013 at 19:46

 double ditto. And yes, it absolutely has to be fun, otherwise what is the point ... life throws enough of the rubbish at you

30/10/2013 at 20:14

Training? 

30/10/2013 at 20:47

8kg seems extraordinary.  I hiked the TMB this year.  The 33 litre pack came in at 7.5kg including sleeping bag, food and a litre of water.  What on earth are you carrying?

WiB
30/10/2013 at 20:58

Yep. 8kg seems a lot. I think the most I have raced with was about 1kg with all mandatory kit.

WiB
30/10/2013 at 21:14

My race pack weighed in at 2.5kg including a litre of water, last I checked.  Because I'm basically a hiker (and anticipate being out on the course longer than most) I'll be carrying more food and an extra warm layer compared with many, so lighter than that is realistic.

GKD
30/10/2013 at 21:15

What they said. I'd be incredibly surprised if you're carrying anywhere near 8 kg. My compulsory kit for the UTMB this year was less that 2, my full pack for the Spine will be somewhere around seven, if you're carrying 8kg consisting of just water gels and warm kit then I can't imagine how much stuff is in your bag

 

GKD
04/11/2013 at 20:24

Interesting about pack weights. You prompted me to weigh my pack after doing a recce of some of the Lakeland 50 course this week. Self supported and in fairly grotty weather, I was only carrying about 2.5kg, so I can't imagine why you are carrying 8kg!

On a separate note, could I ask a question about off season training? I did my first ultra in October (35 miles) and main aim for next year is Lakeland 50. I'm planning 2 or 3 trail marathons and probably a 50k as build up. The first marathon will probably be around March so was planning to ramp up the mileage again after Christmas. In the meantime I thought I would have a couple of months taking it slightly easier, to ease the burden on family time and give my body a bit of a rest. However, I don't want to lose the massive fitness gains I have made this year...

Any advice on how to structure the next couple of months and what I should focus on to keep my training productive?

05/11/2013 at 20:42

Hi all, I'm looking for a new challenge next year to renew some motivation for running after delving into triathlon for a bit and have a couple of options lined up, but I was wondering if anyone knew of any flat (ish) road 50ks between now and the end of January? Preferably in the UK, but would consider Europe.

05/11/2013 at 21:05

Hi ChristchurchJon, I was going to suggest the London Ultra (partly road, middle of January) but I'm not sure it's going to be on in 2014 - can't see any new events on their website. There's a good listing at http://www.ultramarathonrunning.com/races/uk.html (and they have European listings http://www.ultramarathonrunning.com/races/index.html#europe

Good luck!

GKD
05/11/2013 at 21:32

LNndB try to maximise your efforts on each session, instead of long runs at MP or slower try and mix in more speed sessions i.e one mile warm up 3 miles 10 k pace one mile slow 2 miles 10k pace one mile warm down. That's a decent mid week run that shouldn't take too long. 

Get the most out of each session that you can and there's no real need to spend loads of time training through the winter to maintain your fitness, the real advantage is that when you start focusing on a target race in the spring your average pace should have risen too

GKD
05/11/2013 at 21:51

... and LNandB mentally you'll feel refreshed by the new year too, is easy to underestimate the mental toll constant training can take. I always find that by backing off on the longer stuff a little, and getting stuck into some pacier stuff, I'm almost excited to be getting into the longer stuff when the time comes ...

06/11/2013 at 11:26

GKD and Cragchick - thank you, that's very helpful.

That sounds a really hard session GKD, think I might need to build up to that over a few weeks! Will give me something to work on!

You're right Cragchick, I'm already starting to get itchy feet to getting back into long runs every weekend, so hoping that when I ramp things up again I will be raring to go! I'm currently throwing myself into the orienteering season, which I am loving and I think it is doing me good both mentally and physically to be focusing on something different...

06/11/2013 at 12:14

Ooooh Orienteering, that's great fun. I joined our club up here just over a year ago, and have been really getting into it. Is a great family sport too so my kids do it and we are just getting husband into it too. We had a fantastic six-day festival up here in the summer - was weird having about 3000 people from all over the world descending on our little town!! Great training for stamina though I think, and as you say great for focus.  What level do you like to do?  I've been trying Light Green at the moment - sometimes it goes quite well, sometimes (well often) it is really quite embarrassing!!

So on the note of navigating, I've just entered the Highland Mountain Marathon ... and got my entry in for the Great Glen Way too. At last some races that are reasonably local!

06/11/2013 at 12:18

Thanks Debra - someone sent me one in Newcastle that I'm tempted by. I have a target which usually would be manageable, but nothing like deciding to enter a race of a new distance four weeks before race date!

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