wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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WiB
26/11/2013 at 14:57

BadBark - If you can fit 100+ miles in and run well off of them then stick with what is familiar. That is more than enough miles to run a good 100k from.

I am a big fan of quality work and consistency over quantity so would never get near to 100 miles a week. Concentrating on 50 mile distance so a little shorter than 100k but not a giant leap, I use something like this and rarely exceed 70 per week :

Mon - Rest/Easy Cycle/Climbing
Tue - Easy 60 mins
Wed - 30 mins steady - Track session/short hill reps - 30 mins steady.
Thur - Easy 60 mins
Fri - Tempo run or long interval reps
Sat - Long run (~20)
Sun - Race pace run/Progression run (~15)

Edited: 26/11/2013 at 14:58
WiB
27/11/2013 at 08:32

Thanks for the advice WiB. I used to have a very similar approach to your schedule when training for marathons, with a bit less on Sundays. I’d run a long run, a tempo session, an interval/hill session and the rest easy miles for a total of about 50 – 70 weekly. My times at distances from half marathon and below continued to improve but by my marathon times stagnated. It wasn’t until I reduced the quality and increased the quantity that I made a significant breakthrough in marathons this year.

So thanks again for your input as you’ve helped me make up my mind. I’m going to do what I think works best for me and run the higher mileage. However, I’m currently working on my speed and will continue with this until late January before I start upping the mileage.

29/11/2013 at 12:17

Removed double post

Edited: 29/11/2013 at 14:30
29/11/2013 at 16:59

good luck to anyone doing POS ( uncle lirish) and W100 !! keep warm people !!

04/12/2013 at 06:05

No access to stairs either Tim! I'm not sure if it's better to do hill sprints or to just run on an incline on the treadmill and try to increase the distance I can do on a steep incline very time. the mountain is fairly gradual with a steep incline for about 3km at abou the 35km point of the race. Any advice appreciated! My plan is to train for the marathon in Dubai but treat that as a long training run not a race in preparation for the 50 km two weeks later.

WiB
04/12/2013 at 07:40

Do both. Hill sprints and continuous climbing.

WiB
04/12/2013 at 18:55

continuous?? what, like just keep going up in a vertical climb? like, FOREVER??

WiB
04/12/2013 at 20:55

Until you vomit... Plus a bit more as you will feel refreshed afterwards.

WiB
05/12/2013 at 02:21

ss - Well, while you're in Dubai I hear the Burj Khalifa has got quite a few stairs!

05/12/2013 at 09:38

does anyone go through phases maybe after a bad run or 2 of being fed up and bored with running? How do you get it back? It's not me its my training partner and I have visions of all next years plans going out the window, don't know what to suggest!

WiB
05/12/2013 at 10:07

Yeah, after a few races close together this year I just didn't really want to run. So I didnt. Take a few days off and most likely they will want to head out for a run again sometime soon!

WiB
05/12/2013 at 10:36

I think there have probably been too many races close together, no time for more than a week off, maybe I'll suggest that for next week! have cts ultra to get through first!

05/12/2013 at 16:26
Hi touie!
06/12/2013 at 06:53
Hi I've been lurking!!! was thinking about you the other day! I changed my SDW 50 entry to the NDW 50 instead!!!
Edited: 06/12/2013 at 06:53
08/12/2013 at 07:56

I also focus on just heading out the door - no watch, no plan, no time limit; perhaps a different location. usually does the trick, but definitely need time out sometimes ... the summer is lawsuits that time for me, the school holidays provide a perfect time to kick back a bit as I have no choice!

09/12/2013 at 01:34

So when you are planning on running a distance for a 1st time how do you work out your timing just wing it or is McMillan still reasonably accurate / worth a peek at 100k sort of distances?

i did 50m in just under 12h but was sick on the day and think If i had different food plans and was feeling well that I could have cracked 11h did a 4:36 marathon 3 weeks later, so looking at the wall next summer at 69m 

trying to come up with a ballpark target, as it gives me something to aim at / gives me a clue for timings. Does 17-18 hours sound a sensible sort of target to try to aim for? 

So thinking for my 50 was suggested I go through halfway in marathon plus half hour sort of time? for 69 m is it much slower than a 50 or similar sort of speed and just wing it

EDIT: McMillan seems to think around 15:30-16:00 seems a target.  Which is actually only around 7km per hour which seems ridiculously slow, as i've been doing heart rate training recently where 8km in an hour with an average heart rate of 122 is something i've been doing which I find really interesting as i feel so fresh  So I guess I really should be looking closer to 16 then 18 hours as an A goal.

Edited: 09/12/2013 at 10:45
09/12/2013 at 10:56

hehe, it's depressing how slow I am, some people could walk it faster than i'm going to do it.  But, in fairness my normal leisurely walk is actually borderline 3 MPH so it would take me 23 hours just walking it, and eating on the go.

09/12/2013 at 12:02

OK.... Plan sorted. Might be wrong but I have it now.  7:30 per km / 12 minute miles with 60 minutes of breaks spread over the 6 rest points, and an A target of sub 15 hours, my B target is 17:30 and C Target is 23:59:59

 

09/12/2013 at 21:31

I think 15 hrs is a goodplan booktrunk, good to have the back up plan as well. It can really help mentally to have that in place so if you do look like missing plan A you don't get too despondent which can wreck the last part of the race. Also you have a bit more experience and should hopefully be able to fine tune the food/nutrition strategy to avoid stomach issues.
And like your plan C it's all about finishing!

09/12/2013 at 22:05

Thanks Jeremy

it sounds daft as it's so far away but it is a little load off my mind. I now know what I'm aiming for. 

Now have next year up to the end of summer sorted.

May sub 4:30 Marathon.

June The Wall with targets.

August Ridgeway challenge, only target to complete it.

Sept 21, Ladybower 50m ran to heart rate

Sept 28, Loch Ness marathon, giving it everything (100%) to beat Andi. 

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