wannabe ultra runner?

share your ambitions/goals/training here on a 'newbie ultra' thread........

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14/12/2013 at 14:15
Marmalade sandwiches ...,
14/12/2013 at 14:21

I am partial to angel slices for my drop bag. 

14/12/2013 at 14:21

I am partial to angel slices for my drop bag. 

14/12/2013 at 14:49
With marmalade on top Ben?
Britrisky    pirate
14/12/2013 at 15:42

Hi everyone!

Let me introduce myself ...

I've been running for three years - going from a 39 minute Parkrun (now 22:17) to my sixth marathon next weekend, and Outlaw triathlon this summer.

After three punctures at Outlaw I had an entry for 2014 to use puncture-proof tyres and gain a more respectable time ... but after a rather tragic loss last month I've re-assessed my priorities, realise that all I want to do is run, so I have withdrawn from Outlaw to focus on three projects - 

1. sub 4.00 at VLM (PB is 4:16)

2. London to Brighton Challenge

3. 100 Marathon club (eventually, perhaps)

I need to work out a training plan to build up the mileage for L2B and build up the speed for VLM, somehow, and then concentrate on good recovering to trot out whatever maras I can manage after that.

I am interested to learn about speed and ultra training, as well as food - I realise that gels won't cut it at this distance, so will need to find out what else I can eat - thinking of peanut butter bagels?

I also need to work out how to train for trail running when I live in a city! 

All advice / support gratefully received! 


14/12/2013 at 16:02

In terms of food, my (rather dull) suggestion is to try it out in training, if it works use it, if not, ditch it. Ultra running is so personal, some do nothing but slow stuff, some do low miles high speed, some cross train, some stretch and massage, I could go on. I don't think there's a one size fits all approach. Soak up as much info as you can, see what appeals and give it a go. I think if you genuinely love running, then you can do whatever makes you happy and gives you confidence in training, and you'll be okay. Also the bigger the ego the worse the ultra-runner, so trust what the modest folk say, they've probably been there and got the buckle, and have nothing to prove.

Sorry about your loss (me too) and running can help. Good luck.

14/12/2013 at 20:26

Angel slices with marmalade!


14/12/2013 at 20:28

Battenburg with marmite on one end and peanut butter on the other end. 

Britrisky    pirate
14/12/2013 at 22:56

15/12/2013 at 12:16

Britrisky: Which city? Take London for example, there are actually quite a lot of off-road trails to run on - not the same as proper trail running out in the country, but between the Green Chain Walk, London Loop, Capital Ring, canal paths etc. you can find quite a bit - and the further you up the mileage, the further out you can get in your long run. Most cities you'll get out into green belt and be running across fields before you know it. I got an OS map made centred on a spot not far from our running club and there are loads of footpaths and brideways I'll be trying out as soon as I'm running again (injured in a cycling accident ). Very worth getting an oS map and having a look at it (I got one made because where I live is really near the corner of three or four maps).

Agree with what Tiago said about food - try it in training. And sympathies for your loss.

15/12/2013 at 13:16
Book trunk ! Now ya talking !! Mmm marmite

Britrisky , welcome , hope some of what we post here is of help to you . We do try , and the guys in here really do know their stuff ( just skim over the drivel that appears in between it all , most of its mine ) . As said above really it's a trial and error thing with further distances . Try out all your new kit as far in advance of an event as you can and in all weathers, food too like Tiago said . What fuels one runner for 40/50 miles may not be enough for someone else etc . As for getting on trails it's probably easier than you think . Surprising how close some off road running can be found if you google some national trails online .
Hope you found useful stuff on here , ask away and the clever boys n girls on here will help you - I just make the tea
Britrisky    pirate
16/12/2013 at 22:28

I'm in Hull, Debra - and I have an OS map, so I'll have a good look at this over Christmas. Doing Portsmouth mara at the weekend, and then the planning / training starts! 

17/12/2013 at 14:38

loulabell I have been lurking but haven't been running too much over the summer. Kicked off winter training with a marathon last month. Slow but as nothing longer than 16 miles since May I was pleased! Needed it otherwise will get to next years races woefully underprepared!
Oh and less of the marmite chatter please!

09/01/2014 at 09:16

Finally got a waterproof jacket sorted.  Spent Months umming and arrghing over the OMM or Montane decision and then got a Haglofs (lim ii q) as I could actually find it localish and try it on, Oh and it was 40% of in the sales Very lightweight and wore it for a 8 mile test run in heavy rain last night. Works a treat.

Cannot imagine what conditions are going to be like for those doing the Spine and the Spine Challenger starting Saturday. Wet feet after minutes, and they might not dry out for a week. shudder!

I've also learnt that in really wet conditions, normal trainers are awful on muddy grass, I think those conditions more then any other would possibly prod me in the direction of getting a pair of trail trainers, as opposed to my normal road ones.


12/01/2014 at 10:05

could I ask for some advice for us very inexperienced or newbies, 

Best way to learn or improve your map skills?

i'm thinking get a map, get a compass (with a 1:25000 scale) and get your arse outside long walks good practise as well being on your feet for a long period of time

is there any definitive book that we should all be buying and reading?

or should we be saving our pennies for a days course with anyone? 

Also I guess if running at night need to practise at night? 

Sorry lots of questions

Edited: 12/01/2014 at 10:07
12/01/2014 at 20:53

It is not actually difficult to learn to read a map.  Just buy a map and compass, and go out and play around with them.  You live in Leicestershire, so I can give you a tutorial if you need it. 

Many elite ultra runners use long walks of eight hours or so as part of their training. 

There are many books that an ultra runner should own, but I don’t think that there is one that stands out as being exceptionally useful.  One day I might get a bunch of contributors together, and write such a book. 

Practice running in the dark can be invaluable.  At this time of year, it doesn’t even have to be particularly late. 

12/01/2014 at 22:13

booktrunk: orienteering is a good way to practice using a map and compass and actually reading the features on the map. I also went on a one-day course after one of the Lakeland 50 recces and found that useful as well.

As for running at night, yes, useful to practice. For navigating, I'd practice in the daytime first!

13/01/2014 at 14:00

Hey all - another wannabe ultra runner here. Doing VLM in April and was hoping to maybe use that training to go a little further and maybe enter an Ultra in May / early June. Lets just say personal circumstances mean that if I don't do it by then, I'll probably never end up doing an Ultra so I'm determined to do it. Was hoping for something around the 50k mark (up to 35 miles max) and ideally not too hilly. I've had a look around myself and the ones I've found (within a 3 hour drive from Cardiff) are "The Pony Express Ultra" in Hampshire (30 miles if doing 1 day), "The Dukeries Ultra" in Nottingham (30 miles).

Ideally, it'd need to be paths rather than completely off road as most of my training with be done on the road / cycle paths. I appriciate I'm asking a lot and almost "where can I find an easy Ultra" which clearly doesn't exist. Any other suggestions would be greatly appriciated.

13/01/2014 at 14:03
Google Ox ultra marathon. I think it's a new one in Wiltshire.
22/01/2014 at 11:12

yes theres the ox ultra but that's very hilly ,  at end of May . other option is Northants 35 , start of june, mainly off road but bits on tarmac too going through villages,nice route, more rolling than steep hills, generous cut off. id say that even if most of your training is done on road then Northants is still doable. I really had run off road much at all before I did it and if I can bimble round it then anyone can !!

,millsy1977 , ox ultra looks quite tempting.

Edited: 22/01/2014 at 11:12
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